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    I am going to quote some fragments of other texts.

    Anyone who thinks they are against GOD or the Spirit, or the Word of GOD, please feel free to state such.

    (And since He hath ordained heat to be the source of motion and ascent and the cause of attainment to the desired goal, He hath therefore kindled with the mystic hand that Fire that dieth not and sent it forth into the world, that this divine Fire might, by the heat of the love of God, guide and attract all mankind to the abode of the incomparable Friend. This is the mystery enshrined in your Book that was sent down aforetime, a mystery which hath until now remained concealed from the eyes and hearts of men. That primal Fire hath in this Day appeared with a new radiance and with immeasurable heat. This divine Fire burneth of itself, with neither fuel nor fume, that it might draw away such excess moisture and cold as are the cause of torpor and weariness, of lethargy and despondency, and lead the entire creation to the court of the presence of the All-Merciful. Whoso hath approached this Fire hath been set aflame and attained the desired goal, and whoso hath removed himself therefrom hath remained deprived.

    O servant of God! Turn thou away from the stranger, that thou mayest recognize the Friend. He indeed is a stranger who leadeth you away from the Friend. This is not the day whereon the high priests can command and exercise their authority. In your Book it is stated that the high priests will, on that day, lead men far astray, and will prevent them from drawing nigh unto Him. He indeed is a high priest who hath seen the light and hastened unto the way leading to the Beloved. Such a man is a benevolent priest and a source of illumination to the whole world.

    O servant of God! Any priest who leadeth thee away from this Fire, which is the reality of the Light and the mystery of divine Revelation, is indeed thine enemy. Suffer not the words of the foe to hold thee back from the Friend or the insinuations of the enemy to cause thee to forsake the Beloved.

    These are they who circle round the Cause of God even as the shadow doth revolve around the sun. Open, then, your eyes, O people of the Bayán, that haply ye may behold them! It is by virtue of their movement that all things are set in motion, and by reason of their stillness all things are brought to rest, would that ye might be assured thereof! Through them the believers in the Divine Unity have turned towards Him Who is the Object of the adoration of the entire creation, and by them the hearts of the righteous have found rest and composure, could ye but know it! Through them the earth hath been established, the clouds have rained down their bounty, and the bread of holiness hath descended from the heaven of grace, could ye but perceive it!

    These souls are the protectors of the Cause of God on earth, who shall preserve its beauty from the obscuring dust stirred up by every rejected disbeliever. In the path of their Lord they shall not fear for their lives; rather will they sacrifice their all in their eagerness to behold the face of their Well-Beloved and His exaltation in this Name, the Almighty, the All-Powerful, the All-Glorious, the Most Holy.)
    In that same year [year 60] I dispatched a messenger and a book unto thee, that thou mightest act towards the Cause of Him Who is the Testimony of God as befitteth the station of thy sovereignty. But inasmuch as dark, dreadful and dire calamity had been irrevocably ordained by the Will of God, the book was not submitted to thy presence, through the intervention of such as regard themselves the well-wishers of the government. Up to the present, when nearly four years have passed, they have not duly presented it to Your Majesty. However, now that the fateful hour is drawing nigh, and because it is a matter of faith, not a worldly concern, therefore I have given thee a glimpse of what hath transpired.

    I swear by God! Shouldst thou know the things which in the space of these four years have befallen Me at the hands of thy people and thine army, thou wouldst hold thy breath from fear of God, unless thou wouldst rise to obey the Cause of Him Who is the Testimony of God and make amends for thy shortcomings and failure.

    While I was in Shíráz the indignities which befell Me at the hands of its wicked and depraved Governor waxed so grievous that if thou wert acquainted with but a tithe thereof, thou wouldst deal him retributive justice. For as a result of his unmitigated oppression, thy royal court hath become, until the Day of Resurrection, the object of the wrath of God. Moreover, his indulgence in alcohol had grown so excessive that he was never sober enough to make a sound judgment. Therefore, disquieted, I was obliged to set out from Shíráz with the aim of attaining the enlightened and exalted court of Your Majesty. The Mu‘tamidu’d-Dawlih then became aware of the truth of the Cause and manifested exemplary servitude and devotion to His chosen ones. When some of the ignorant people in his city arose to stir up sedition, he defended the divine Truth by affording Me protection for a while in the privacy of the Governor’s residence. At length, having attained the good-pleasure of God, he repaired to his habitation in the all-highest Paradise. May God reward him graciously.…

    Be fair to yourselves and to others, that the evidences of justice may be revealed, through your deeds, among Our faithful servants. Beware lest ye encroach upon the substance of your neighbor. Prove yourselves worthy of his trust and confidence in you, and withhold not from the poor the gifts which the grace of God hath bestowed upon you. He, verily, shall recompense the charitable, and doubly repay them for what they have bestowed. No God is there but Him. All creation and its empire are His. He bestoweth His gifts on whom He will, and from whom He will He withholdeth them. He is the Great Giver, the Most Generous, the Benevolent.

    Say: Teach ye the Cause of God, O people of Bahá, for God hath prescribed unto every one the duty of proclaiming His Message, and regardeth it as the most meritorious of all deeds. Such a deed is acceptable only when he that teacheth the Cause is already a firm believer in God, the Supreme Protector, the Gracious, the Almighty. He hath, moreover, ordained that His Cause be taught through the power of men’s utterance, and not through resort to violence. Thus hath His ordinance been sent down from the Kingdom of Him Who is the Most Exalted, the All-Wise. Beware lest ye contend with anyone, nay, strive to make him aware of the truth with kindly manner and most convincing exhortation. If your hearer respond, he will have responded to his own behoof, and if not, turn ye away from him, and set your faces towards God’s sacred Court, the seat of resplendent holiness.

    In that same year [year 60] I dispatched a messenger and a book unto thee, that thou mightest act towards the Cause of Him Who is the Testimony of God as befitteth the station of thy sovereignty. But inasmuch as dark, dreadful and dire calamity had been irrevocably ordained by the Will of God, the book was not submitted to thy presence, through the intervention of such as regard themselves the well-wishers of the government. Up to the present, when nearly four years have passed, they have not duly presented it to Your Majesty. However, now that the fateful hour is drawing nigh, and because it is a matter of faith, not a worldly concern, therefore I have given thee a glimpse of what hath transpired.

    I swear by God! Shouldst thou know the things which in the space of these four years have befallen Me at the hands of thy people and thine army, thou wouldst hold thy breath from fear of God, unless thou wouldst rise to obey the Cause of Him Who is the Testimony of God and make amends for thy shortcomings and failure.

    While I was in Shíráz the indignities which befell Me at the hands of its wicked and depraved Governor waxed so grievous that if thou wert acquainted with but a tithe thereof, thou wouldst deal him retributive justice. For as a result of his unmitigated oppression, thy royal court hath become, until the Day of Resurrection, the object of the wrath of God. Moreover, his indulgence in alcohol had grown so excessive that he was never sober enough to make a sound judgment. Therefore, disquieted, I was obliged to set out from Shíráz with the aim of attaining the enlightened and exalted court of Your Majesty. The Mu‘tamidu’d-Dawlih then became aware of the truth of the Cause and manifested exemplary servitude and devotion to His chosen ones. When some of the ignorant people in his city arose to stir up sedition, he defended the divine Truth by affording Me protection for a while in the privacy of the Governor’s residence. At length, having attained the good-pleasure of God, he repaired to his habitation in the all-highest Paradise. May God reward him graciously.…

    Be fair to yourselves and to others, that the evidences of justice may be revealed, through your deeds, among Our faithful servants. Beware lest ye encroach upon the substance of your neighbor. Prove yourselves worthy of his trust and confidence in you, and withhold not from the poor the gifts which the grace of God hath bestowed upon you. He, verily, shall recompense the charitable, and doubly repay them for what they have bestowed. No God is there but Him. All creation and its empire are His. He bestoweth His gifts on whom He will, and from whom He will He withholdeth them. He is the Great Giver, the Most Generous, the Benevolent.

    Say: Teach ye the Cause of God, O people of Bahá, for God hath prescribed unto every one the duty of proclaiming His Message, and regardeth it as the most meritorious of all deeds. Such a deed is acceptable only when he that teacheth the Cause is already a firm believer in God, the Supreme Protector, the Gracious, the Almighty. He hath, moreover, ordained that His Cause be taught through the power of men’s utterance, and not through resort to violence. Thus hath His ordinance been sent down from the Kingdom of Him Who is the Most Exalted, the All-Wise. Beware lest ye contend with anyone, nay, strive to make him aware of the truth with kindly manner and most convincing exhortation. If your hearer respond, he will have responded to his own behoof, and if not, turn ye away from him, and set your faces towards God’s sacred Court, the seat of resplendent holiness.

    Dispute not with anyone concerning the things of this world and its affairs, for God hath abandoned them to such as have set their affection upon them. Out of the whole world He hath chosen for Himself the hearts of men—hearts which the hosts of revelation and of utterance can subdue. Thus hath it been ordained by the Fingers of Bahá, upon the Tablet of God’s irrevocable decree, by the behest of Him Who is the Supreme Ordainer, the All-Knowing.

    CXXIXO wayfarer in the path of God! Take thou thy portion of the ocean of His grace, and deprive not thyself of the things that lie hidden in its depths. Be thou of them that have partaken of its treasures. A dewdrop out of this ocean would, if shed upon all that are in the heavens and on the earth, suffice to enrich them with the bounty of God, the Almighty, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise. With the hands of renunciation draw forth from its life-giving waters, and sprinkle therewith all created things, that they may be cleansed from all man-made limitations and may approach the mighty seat of God, this hallowed and resplendent Spot.

    Be not grieved if thou performest it thyself alone. Let God be all-sufficient for thee. Commune intimately with His Spirit, and be thou of the thankful. Proclaim the Cause of thy Lord unto all who are in the heavens and on the earth. Should any man respond to thy call, lay bare before him the pearls of the wisdom of the Lord, thy God, which His Spirit hath sent down unto thee, and be thou of them that truly believe. And should anyone reject thine offer, turn thou away from him, and put thy trust and confidence in the Lord, thy God, the Lord of all worlds.

    The Holy Great One will come forth from His dwelling,
    4. And the eternal God will tread upon the earth, (even) on Mount Sinai,
    ⌈And appear from His camp⌉
    And appear in the strength of His might from the heaven of heavens.

    5. And all shall be smitten with fear
    And the Watchers shall quake,
    And great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the earth.

    6. And the high mountains shall be shaken,
    And the high hills shall be made low,
    And shall melt like wax before the flame*p. 32

    7. And the earth shall be*⌈wholly⌉*rent in sunder,
    And all that is upon the earth shall perish,
    And there shall be a judgement upon all (men).

    8. But with the righteous He will make peace.

    And will protect the elect,
    And mercy shall be upon them.

    And they shall all belong to God,
    And they shall be prospered,
    And they shall*⌈all⌉*be blessed.

    ⌈And He will help them all⌉,
    And light shall appear unto them,
    ⌈And He will make peace with them⌉.

    9. And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of*⌈His⌉*holy ones
    To execute judgement upon all,
    And to destroy*⌈all⌉*the ungodly:

    And to convict all flesh
    Of all the works*⌈of their ungodliness⌉*which they have ungodly committed,
    And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners*⌈have spoken⌉against Him.

    *



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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Of course you will say I haven't, when, in fact, I have....repeatedly. I have tried to reason with you, and I have tried to explain to you, and I have tried to guilt trip you, and I have met "hurt feelings" and false accusations about what I said.

    You're ignorant of all things Biblical, and that is clear from your posts. It's no big secret that needs to be proven, when your every post proves it to be true.
    Empty talk with no part of truth to be recognized.

    And I would recognize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Mind1Spirit View Post
    I like the son of big chief tablet.
    You young'un!


    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Is that deodorant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Is that deodorant?
    Hard time with the obvious .... again.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Mind1Spirit View Post
    Not while walking here.

    It's not a good idea to go too long without remembering God's son who made it possible.

    Chewing the cud is not the same as suckin' the teat.
    That has some base merit, but not so much for trying to wake those/you from amnesia concerning who they really are, you still sit in darkness, play dolls/images could be part of the therapy but if they don't work then I guess you stay in the old wine skin till next go round, is this the former, latter, or end times for you?
    Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    You young'un!

    Yep, was in elementary school in the 60's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Is that deodorant?

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    Hey sorry for poking the fire I just can't help myself, old residue from being in that same sitcom for years, Ill bow out before I get infected to much more by the worldly spirit of the graceless grace moment.
    Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeke View Post
    That has some base merit, but not so much for trying to wake those/you from amnesia concerning who they really are, you still sit in darkness, play dolls/images could be part of the therapy but if they don't work then I guess you stay in the old wine skin till next go round, is this the former, latter, or end times for you?



    King James Version
    Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeke View Post
    That has some base merit, but not so much for trying to wake those/you from amnesia concerning who they really are, you still sit in darkness, play dolls/images could be part of the therapy but if they don't work then I guess you stay in the old wine skin till next go round, is this the former, latter, or end times for you?
    YOUR 'new' wineskin IS my old wineskin I NEEDED a Savior. He has literally answered my prayers in ways you can only grasp in 'make-believe.' You are convinced? Okay, but I CANNOT make that journey with you. I am convinced He exists and is real Revelation 3:20
    My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
    Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
    Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
    Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
    No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
    Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

    Is Calvinism okay? Yep

    Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

    1Co 13:11 ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

    Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Hard time with the obvious .... again.
    Acts 9:5King James Version (KJV)
    5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Mind1Spirit View Post
    Acts 9:5King James Version (KJV)
    5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
    Sounds like that would hurt.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Right.
    You just made it up.
    Taken out of context just like the sacred text you molest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeke View Post
    That has some base merit, but not so much for trying to wake those/you from amnesia concerning who they really are, you still sit in darkness, play dolls/images could be part of the therapy but if they don't work then I guess you stay in the old wine skin till next go round, is this the former, latter, or end times for you?
    is this the former, latter, or end times for you?

    That is a loaded question that I'm sure most do not understand.

    Good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Sounds like that would hurt.

    Proverbs 8:32-33King James Version (KJV)
    32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
    33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

    Proverbs 16:18King James Version (KJV)
    18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

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