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    Giving from the heart; a magic formula? That's a new one! Could it possibly be that you've been told time after time that tithing is the only way to give, that you won't accept any other option?

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    I went back and reviewed my posts to you and there are none where I've accused you of anything. If I said something and you took it that way, YOU have the problem. Deal with it!

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    That is false accusation no matter how you try to say that it's not.
    Your unreasonable attitude makes my head ache. You have a good day, unless, of course, that offends you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcon View Post
    You are correct. Jewish law does not apply to people who are Christians. Insisting that people follow what you believe is tantamount to forcing you to do so.

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    So how should the couple described in post 3 decide how much to give?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    So how should the couple described in post 3 decide how much to give?
    There is no way that I can say how much they SHOULD give. It SHOULD be their personal decision, and no one else's business. Their income is THEIR business alone. The widow whom Jesus spoke of, gave ALL her means of living, not just a percentage. Is it possible that the religions that require a tithe, are interested in mainly the money? Could they survive if donations came only from their members hearts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcon View Post
    There is no way that I can say how much they SHOULD give. It SHOULD be their personal decision, and no one else's business. Their income is THEIR business alone. The widow whom Jesus spoke of, gave ALL her means of living, not just a percentage. Is it possible that the religions that require a tithe, are interested in mainly the money? Could they survive if donations came only from their members hearts?

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    I know you can’t specify what is appropriate, but I would like your non-binding opinion.

    In light of this passage from 1 Timothy 6:
    As for those who in the present age are rich, command them not to be haughty, or to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but rather on God who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. 18 They are to do good, to be rich in good works, generous, and ready to share, 19 thus storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of the life that really is life.

    What do you recommend that they consider in their giving?

    Isn’t the increase in net worth a relevant factor?

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    Your unreasonable attitude makes my head ache. You have a good day, unless, of course, that offends you.
    By your own definition, you are not a "true Christian"... Have a great life.
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    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    By your own definition, you are not a "true Christian"... Have a great life.
    And by yours, that makes two of us. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    I know you canít specify what is appropriate, but I would like your non-binding opinion.

    In light of this passage from 1 Timothy 6:
    As for those who in the present age are rich, command them not to be haughty, or to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but rather on God who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. 18 They are to do good, to be rich in good works, generous, and ready to share, 19 thus storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of the life that really is life.

    What do you recommend that they consider in their giving?

    Isnít the increase in net worth a relevant factor?
    One should consider their own circumstances in deciding. If their monetary increase has been set aside for retirement, paying off their house, helping children or grandchildren, etc, these are factors they have to consider. It should never be left to the church or it's leaders to decide what amount is appropriate. This is what comes from the Bible. (If you would like me to provide scriptural proof, I can do so). In our organization, there is never a set, or even a suggested amount, yet all the bills get paid, repairs are made, and we still have money left over. 2 Corinthians 8 and in particular, verse 14 explains how we feel about contributions. As a side point, our contribution boxes are not even in a location where others can see what an individual drops in, and unless one contributes by check, no one is the wiser. Even then it's no one's business who that check belonged to. A running total is documented at the end of each meeting by two qualified men and deposited into our congregation bank account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    I didn't give any definition, therefore you continue to lie.
    You must be very difficult to live with. My condolences to your family and friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcon View Post
    You must be very difficult to live with. My condolences to your family and friends.
    More insults from the "true Christian".
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcon View Post
    One should consider their own circumstances in deciding. If their monetary increase has been set aside for retirement, paying off their house, helping children or grandchildren, etc, these are factors they have to consider. It should never be left to the church or it's leaders to decide what amount is appropriate. This is what comes from the Bible. (If you would like me to provide scriptural proof, I can do so). In our organization, there is never a set, or even a suggested amount, yet all the bills get paid, repairs are made, and we still have money left over. 2 Corinthians 8 and in particular, verse 14 explains how we feel about contributions. As a side point, our contribution boxes are not even in a location where others can see what an individual drops in, and unless one contributes by check, no one is the wiser. Even then it's no one's business who that check belonged to. A running total is documented at the end of each meeting by two qualified men and deposited into our congregation bank account.

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    The couple in post 3 has no debt. They own their house. Their kids are on their own. Their parents are dead.
    They own two good cars with extended warranties.

    Can you be more specific now?

    My church doesn’t pass a plate anymore. Enough people give online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    Thanks.

    The couple in post 3 has no debt. They own their house. Their kids are on their own. Their parents are dead.
    They own two good cars with extended warranties.

    Can you be more specific now?

    My church doesnít pass a plate anymore. Enough people give online.
    They're entitled to keep 100% of their income. What they give to anyone should be they're own business. The fact that any religion would have a say in this is bordering on extortion and is reprehensible! Just because people have been told over and over again from day one that they must tithe, doesn't make it right, true, law or even obligatory. And just because it was first practiced many hundreds of years ago, doesn't mean that it must be observed today. Those who are inclined to do such things, more power to you, however don't throw rocks at those who don't agree with your outdated views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcon View Post
    They're entitled to keep 100% of their income. What they give to anyone should be they're own business. The fact that any religion would have a say in this is bordering on extortion and is reprehensible! Just because people have been told over and over again from day one that they must tithe, doesn't make it right, true, law or even obligatory. And just because it was first practiced many hundreds of years ago, doesn't mean that it must be observed today. Those who are inclined to do such things, more power to you, however don't throw rocks at those who don't agree with your outdated views.

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    I never implied the church should tell them what to give.

    I asked what you thought would be appropriate.

    I understand the church shouldn’t tell them to tithe or what to give.

    That is not the question.

    I can make it simpler: if you were in that situation, what do you suppose would be appropriate for you?

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