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    What is the appropriate level of giving for retired people?

    I understand that believers of Gentile origin are not under the Law and we are not living in a theocracy. Therefore the Old Testament laws have application at most as historical guidance.

    Of course we are to give as God has prospered us, and we are to give cheerfully.

    In this thread, I am hoping to solicit comments on practical ways to determine appropriate giving levels.

    I have my own ideas on the topic, and I am seeking input. I donít think there is one right answer, other than to do as the Lord leads you.

    Comments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    I understand that believers of Gentile origin are not under the Law and we are not living in a theocracy. Therefore the Old Testament laws have application at most as historical guidance.

    Of course we are to give as God has prospered us, and we are to give cheerfully.

    In this thread, I am hoping to solicit comments on practical ways to determine appropriate giving levels.

    I have my own ideas on the topic, and I am seeking input. I donít think there is one right answer, other than to do as the Lord leads you.

    Comments?
    Tithing as a minimum of earnings is always a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Tithing as a minimum of earnings is always a good idea.
    Thank you for your post, and I agree.

    That raises the question: tithing on what? Tithing is typically applied to income received, and that may miss some important things.

    Maybe an example will help:
    Suppose a retired couple has a retirement income from pensions of $30000/year and investment income from stocks of $20000/year for a total income of $50000/year.

    A tithe on that would be $5000/year.

    However, to generate $20000/year in dividends would require $1,000,000 in investments.

    The stock market rose nearly 20%, meaning the increase in the couple’s stock account would have increased $200,000 in 2017. Should that increase be considered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    Thank you for your post, and I agree.

    That raises the question: tithing on what? Tithing is typically applied to income received, and that may miss some important things.

    Maybe an example will help:
    Suppose a retired couple has a retirement income from pensions of $30000/year and investment income from stocks of $20000/year for a total income of $50000/year.

    A tithe on that would be $5000/year.

    However, to generate $20000/year in dividends would require $1,000,000 in investments.

    The stock market rose nearly 20%, meaning the increase in the couple’s stock account would have increased $200,000 in 2017. Should that increase be considered?
    Well, we are to honor the Lord with the firstfruits of our increase.

    Proverbs 3:9 Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

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    You guys remain under the curse of the law if you tithe.

    This is the appropriate amount:

    2Cor 9:7 (AKJV/PCE)
    (9:7) Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give]; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
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    1 Cor. 16:2 applies here.

    Give liberally (Matthew 10:8), cheerfully (2 Cor. 9:7), privately (Matthew 6:3-4), and regularly (1 Cor. 16:2).

    The question is not "How much should I give?", but rather, "What can I give?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Well, we are to honor the Lord with the firstfruits of our increase.

    Proverbs 3:9 Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
    That would imply that the growth in the stock accounts should be considered in the level of giving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    You guys remain under the curse of the law if you tithe.

    This is the appropriate amount:

    2Cor 9:7 (AKJV/PCE)
    (9:7) Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give]; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
    Do you mean that a person who believes they are required to tithe is under the curse of the law, while a person who uses tithing as a guideline and gives of his out of something other than obligation is not under the law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    That would imply that the growth in the stock accounts should be considered in the level of giving.
    It would also put you under the law, which is a curse. If you are going to tithe, you'd better keep all of the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    1 Cor. 16:2 applies here.

    Give liberally (Matthew 10:8), cheerfully (2 Cor. 9:7), privately (Matthew 6:3-4), and regularly (1 Cor. 16:2).

    The question is not "How much should I give?", but rather, "What can I give?"

    God shares in His abundance with us...so should we all.

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    I agree with this.

    I think your post implies that net worth is more important in that consideration than income is.

    Is that correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    Do you mean that a person who believes they are required to tithe is under the curse of the law, while a person who uses tithing as a guideline and gives of his out of something other than obligation is not under the law?
    Tithing is part of the law. You do not need the law to give you a guideline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    I would also put you under the law, which is a curse. If you are going to tithe, you'd better keep all of the law.
    RD, the statement of mine that you quoted did not mention the law or tithing.

    In post 3, I gave an example of a retired couple. Please comment on what you think are considerations in what that couple should give.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    RD, the statement of mine that you quoted did not mention the law or tithing.
    I didn't say that it did, but that is the CONTEXT of what you've been discussing here.

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    In post 3, I gave an example of a retired couple. Please comment on what you think are considerations in what that couple should give.
    I already did.

    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5165364
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Tithing is part of the law. You do not need the law to give you a guideline.
    I think Galatians 3 indicates it can have some value as historical information, as long as we recognize we are not under the law.

    Is the law then opposed to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could make alive, then righteousness would indeed come through the law. 22 But the scripture has imprisoned all things under the power of sin, so that what was promised through faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 Now before faith came, we were imprisoned and guarded under the law until faith would be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer subject to a disciplinarian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    I didn't say that it did, but that is the CONTEXT of what you've been discussing here.
    My opening post is clear that I know we aren’t under the law.

    I was hoping for something more quantitative, but if that is all you have, then that is all you have.

    Thanks for your input.

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