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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    I thought 2P2P as an expression was banned for being ambiguous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    I believe I have made my point, and have basically stopped posting on this thread, DP.

    But very well, I'll address your cluelessness...

    My take on those passages is more or less the same as yours, DP.

    No problem there.

    But that was not why I quoted those passages.

    I quoted those passages - not to you - but to Musti - and within the context of what he has been talking about in this thread.

    He has been talking about his seeking to find a home within a non-Mystery based assembly.

    Which I have strongly disagreed with.

    THAT is why I quoted the following passages to HIM...

    Galatians 5:8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

    You come along, DP, and pull a hybrid (forming a conclusion absent of a thing's actual, near, and remote context, and so on).



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    Hi and you did not address my reply , in Gal 5:8 , O WELL !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    I thought 2P2P as an expression was banned for being ambiguous.


    Hi and to bad and they is no one who can rebuke what I wrote , concerning Gal 2:14 as Peter was PROSELYTING Galatian believers and Paul in verse 11 resisted Peter to his face because Peter was having been condemned !!

    I have been out of the loop for a month and if I get banned for Gal 2:14 , do it !!

    I am not harmed by nor afraid of what INERPLANNER has to say concerning what Kingdom teachers VS the Dispensation of the Grace of God !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    I thought 2P2P as an expression was banned for being ambiguous.
    He put a space in it to get rid of the reftagging. I banned it because of the reftagging confusion. When you post it without the space I get this----> 2 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow ...Second Peter Chapter 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman View Post
    He put a space in it to get rid of the reftagging. I banned it because of the reftagging confusion. When you post it without the space I get this----> 2 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow ...Second Peter Chapter 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman View Post
    He put a space in it to get rid of the reftagging. I banned it because of the reftagging confusion. When you post it without the space I get this----> 2 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow ...Second Peter Chapter 2.
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    Oh but it does!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman View Post
    He put a space in it to get rid of the reftagging. I banned it because of the reftagging confusion. When you post it without the space I get this----> 2 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow ...Second Peter Chapter 2.
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    Anyone would do better than Danoh. He would find fault with the church in Ephesus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post

    And you have just called God a racist for all those centuries He placed one ethnicity: Jews - above all the others of the earth, which He do again, one day.
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    Only a leftist would misuse the Bible to make a specious response as that. Don't be fooled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Only a leftist would misuse the Bible to make a specious response as that. Don't be fooled.
    lol, in the towns I live around it's just the same like you say. There's a Church and all over it it says the big D, until I went and then well...

    Just go,worship God at the end if you consider it the same and leave,well if the two of you go it will be worth it. lol go to Church for someone else...

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    We visited the church yesterday. Nice folks but that's pretty much to be expected anywhere. One traditional hymn, the rest were canned contemporary muzak with touchy-feely lyrics. The sermon was out of 1 Timothy.

    I had not realized this from their website but it turns out the church is affiliated with Grace Evangelical Society. From what I read, some GES churches have been in slow-motion split mode over several issues, not least of which is the "crossless Gospel" heresy. This seems to be largely attributed to Bob Wilkin, current GES president. My wife was not familiar with anything about GES (apart from knowing I've been getting their magazines since I was a IFB...never bothered removing my name from their list and there is almost no "meat" each issue...if there is it's almost by accident...the rest is doctrinal soy "meat").

    Anyway, I showed her two booklets from the lobby by Wilkin where John 5:24, etc is presented as the gospel of salvation -- "believing in Jesus unto eternal life" -- hence the cross-less gospel. I am happy that she understood exactly what the problem is. For people who believe as Wilkin does, it's all about eternal life...which is fine, but it's almost completely taken out of John.

    The cross and resurrection is mentioned but rarely preached, and never (that I've seen) preached with Pauline clarity as God's means of our salvation. Why don't they? Because John didn't. So I think it'd be tough for them to deny anyone is unsaved if they "believe in Jesus." Catholics, Mormons, Meshak, etc, all "believe in Jesus" for eternal life. Would GES say they now have eternal life? Good question.

    Do I know that GES people, at least those who believe as Wilkin does, have trusted the DBR for forgiveness, justification, sanctification and eternal life? No, I do not know that. If one goes by Wilkin's writings, there's good reason to doubt it.

    And that's the strange thing here. The church's website had a pretty clear presentation of the gospel of the grace of God. That's why I decided we should visit...whatever other doctrinal disagreements might be, if we agree on the saving Gospel, there can be fellowship in Him on that basis.

    So I'm going to have to ask the pastor why this major disconnect. Surely he's heard of this crossless controversy so I assume he has to have.

    The fact (as repeatedly preached by MADs on TOL) is, the cross as preached by Paul is presented nowhere in John. To ASSUME John had it in mind when he wrote (which GES folks seem to do) is still an assumption, and a very dangerous one.

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