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    Should Christians celebrate New Years Day?

    “The original goal of the Gregorian calendar was to change the date of Easter.
    In 1582, when Pope Gregory XIII introduced his Gregorian calendar, Europe adhered to the Julian calendar, first implemented by Julius Caesar in 46 B.C. Since the Roman emperor’s system miscalculated the length of the solar year by 11 minutes, the calendar had since fallen out of sync with the seasons. This concerned Gregory because it meant that Easter, traditionally observed on March 21, fell further away from the spring equinox with each passing year.


    http://www.history.com/news/6-things...orian-calendar


    There were other reasons which should concern Christians desirous to be like Jesus.

    Though Pope Gregory’s papal bull reforming the calendar had no power beyond the Catholic Church, Catholic countries—including Spain, Portugal and Italy—swiftly adopted the new system for their civil affairs. European Protestants, however, largely rejected the change because of its ties to the papacy, fearing it was an attempt to silence their movement. It wasn’t until 1700 that Protestant Germany switched over, and England held out until 1752. Orthodox countries clung to the Julian calendar until even later, and their national churches have never embraced Gregory’s reforms.Ibid.


    The biblical new year begins in the spring...

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    Obviously the Julian/Gregorian calendars are man made. So is the modern Jewish Hillel II calendar created in 359 AD. The only real new year is the day God made the Earth, this was on the first day of the Jewish civil new year at the beginning of the month of Tishri, also know know as the Day of Trumpets and was Jesus birthday too. This is always on the new moon day as calculated by sighting the first slither of the new waxing moon from Jerusalem, at the beginning of the seventh month from Aviv. Aviv can only be declared when the barley in Israel is ripe enough to be made into fine flour, so that it can be offered to God as the first fruits of the harvest on day 16 of Aviv. This is called the day of fruits fruits when the preist would burn the flour on the altar of incense in the temple. All these rules where give to Moses by God himself and you can find them all in the Torah.

    The last new year was on the 21st September 2017 and the next new year should be on 10th of September 2018. Happy new year for then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
    Obviously the Julian/Gregorian calendars are man made. So is the modern Jewish Hillel II calendar created in 359 AD. The only real new year is the day God made the Earth, this was on the first day of the Jewish civil new year at the beginning of the month of Tishri, also know know as the Day of Trumpets and was Jesus birthday too. This is always on the new moon day as calculated by sighting the first slither of the new waxing moon from Jerusalem, at the beginning of the seventh month from Aviv. Aviv can only be declared when the barley in Israel is ripe enough to be made into fine flour, so that it can be offered to God as the first fruits of the harvest on day 16 of Aviv. This is called the day of fruits fruits when the preist would burn the flour on the altar of incense in the temple. All these rules where give to Moses by God himself and you can find them all in the Torah.

    The last new year was on the 21st September 2017 and the next new year should be on 10th of September 2018. Happy new year for then.
    You contradict yourself why? To maintain a deception?


    In the Torah, the beginning of the year was clearly set at 1 Nisan, in the context of a description of the first Passover. “The Lord said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt: This month shall mark for you the beginning of the months; it shall be the first of the months of the year for you” (Exodus 12:1-2). This new year celebrated the creation of the Jewish nation through the redemption of the Israelites from Egypt. Nisan, as the first of the months, coincided with the beginning of Jewish national history.

    But it is surprising that the Torah made no mention of a new year at 1 Tishrei, which today is so central to the Jewish religious experience. The Torah’s reference to 1 Tishrei is sparse altogether, describing a holiday characterized primarily by the blowing of a shofar . “In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall observe complete rest, a sacred occasion commemorated with loud blasts. You shall not work at your occupations, and you shall bring an offering by fire to the Lord.” The name “Rosh Hashanah” is not mentioned, nor is there a reference to its function as a day of judgment and anniversary of the world’s creation.

    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/art...new-years-day/

    You void the commandments of Yah for the traditions of man...was said for demanding hand washing before eating...

    This calendar thingy is a much bigger issue...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
    know as the Day of Trumpets and was Jesus birthday too.
    Mary agreed to become pregnant in the sixth month.

    Are you claiming he was born a month later?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    You contradict yourself why? To maintain a deception?


    In the Torah, the beginning of the year was clearly set at 1 Nisan, in the context of a description of the first Passover. “The Lord said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt: This month shall mark for you the beginning of the months; it shall be the first of the months of the year for you” (Exodus 12:1-2). This new year celebrated the creation of the Jewish nation through the redemption of the Israelites from Egypt. Nisan, as the first of the months, coincided with the beginning of Jewish national history.

    But it is surprising that the Torah made no mention of a new year at 1 Tishrei, which today is so central to the Jewish religious experience. The Torah’s reference to 1 Tishrei is sparse altogether, describing a holiday characterized primarily by the blowing of a shofar . “In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall observe complete rest, a sacred occasion commemorated with loud blasts. You shall not work at your occupations, and you shall bring an offering by fire to the Lord.” The name “Rosh Hashanah” is not mentioned, nor is there a reference to its function as a day of judgment and anniversary of the world’s creation.

    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/art...new-years-day/

    You void the commandments of Yah for the traditions of man...was said for demanding hand washing before eating...

    This calendar thingy is a much bigger issue...
    You miss the point totally. Why would God say:

    Exodus 12:2
    "This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year.

    If it was already the first month? God was initiating a new religious year starting at the opposite end of the year as He further explains here:

    Exodus 34:22 NIV
    "Celebrate the Festival of Weeks (Pentecost) with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering (Tabernacles or Harvest festival) at the TURN of the year.

    World English Bible
    "You shall observe the feast of weeks with the first fruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of harvest at the year's END.

    That is why the Jews today, as always, celebrate Rosh Hashanah (meaning; the head of the year) on day 1 of Tishri (Trumpets). It is also the only new moon day God called a Sabbath for this same reason!:

    Leviticus 23:23-25
    23 The LORD said to Moses, 24 “Say to the Israelites: ‘On the first day of the seventh month you are to have a day of SABBATH rest, a sacred assembly commemorated with trumpet blasts. 25 Do no regular work, but present a food offering to the LORD.’ ”

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Mary agreed to become pregnant in the sixth month.

    Are you claiming he was born a month later?
    There is various information in the Bible to show that He really was born on this exact day. For example a rough way of working out when Jesus was born is by using the priestly division recorded in the Gospel of Luke:

    Luke 1:5 & 8-9
    In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron.

    8 Once when Zechariah’s division was on duty and he was serving as priest before God, 9 he was chosen by lot, according to the custom of the priesthood, to go into the temple of the Lord and burn incense.

    These priestly divisions are listed in Chronicles. Each division would serve for one week in the temple starting from day 1 month 1, and after all 24 divisions of priests had served, they began again from day 1 month 7. The festival weeks of Passover, Shavuot, Atonement and Tabernacles were served by all 24 divisions of priests. Abijah was the eighth division:

    1 Chronicles 24:10
    the seventh to Hakkoz, the eighth to Abijah.

    From this list, it can be calculated that John the Baptist’s father, Zachariah, severed in the temple on both the first week of month three and the second week of month nine. Therefore, Zachariah received the message from the angel Gabriel, about his son’s birth, in either one of these two weeks in the spring or autumn. After which he went home and his wife Elizabeth conceived. About six months later Gabriel visited Mary:

    Luke 1:35-36
    35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month.

    Therefore, Jesus was born in the spring or autumn. However, for a precise time of Jesus’ birth, God gave many signs and prophesies for us to recognise, here is how God gives us His signs:

    Genesis 1:14
    And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the Heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.

    The signs were the sun, moon, stars, planets, and constellations. When God made all these heavenly bodies, it was not just some random act, the stars and constellations He made were a purposeful and deliberate heavenly pictograph displaying and foretelling what would happen to mankind, from Adam to Jesus, and until the end of the age:

    Psalm 19:1-4
    1 The Heavens proclaim the Glory of God. The skies display His Craftsmanship. 2 Day after day they continue to speak; night after night they make Him known. 3 They speak without a sound or word; their voice is never heard. 4 Yet their message has gone throughout the earth, and their words to all the world.

    Adam had perfect intelligence and was in full communication with God before the fall. He knew just about everything about the created order around him, including the prophetic story of mankind in the heavens. This story was passed down through the generations till the tower of Babel, where the names of all the stars and constellation changed into seventy different languages. However, the story and the meanings of the names remained the same, which is why today every ancient culture around the world has virtually the same story and meaning behind the names of the stars and constellations. But Satan has tried to deceive the world with astrology and has twisted the truth of what the stars are really telling us.

    Virgo, or Bethulah in Hebrew, both mean virgin and represents Jesus’ mother Mary. Virgo appears in the night sky lying on her left side, with her legs in the air as if in the birthing position. With modern technology, we can now look back in time and know the position of every star and planet, at any given point in time as viewed from anywhere on Earth. On day 1 month 7, Tishri (11th September 3BC) God used Virgo to give us a sign in the heavens. That evening, from Bethlehem, as the constellation of Virgo became visible just above the horizon towards the west, it appeared as if sun set had ‘cloaked’ Virgo’s body. The crescent moon was positioned right under her feet, whereas the day before, and after, the moon was not under her feet. Also, above Virgo’s head are nine stars that form the constellation of Leo, which represents the Lion of the tribe of Judah, who is Jesus. That night however Mercury, Venus, and Jupiter were also in Leo, making a total of twelve stars above Virgo’s head. Planets were considered as stars in ancient days and the word planet literally means ‘wondering star’. The book of Revelation describes a great sign in the Heavens with the sun, moon and stars, and describes that the child being born was Jesus:

    Revelation 12:1-2
    1 And a great sign was seen in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, 2 and upon her head a crown of twelve stars, and she being with child screamed, travailing in birth, and agonised to be delivered.

    Revelation 12:5
    She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron sceptre.” And her child was snatched up to God, and to his throne.

    The prophet Isaiah also made a prophetic allusion to this sign over 700 years before.

    Isaiah 7:14
    Therefore the LORD Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive, and give birth to a son, and will call him Emmanuel.

    The best time to have witnessed this momentary display was between 5:53 p.m. and 6:35 p.m. that evening and Jesus was born at about 6:12 p.m. It’s possible to be confident that this was the time of Jesus’ birth because it was also at this precise time that the brightest star in Virgo, called Spica, which represents an ear of corn being held in Virgo’s left hand, appeared to ‘touch’ the horizon, or ‘alight to the earth.’ The name of this star in Hebrew is Tsemech which means ‘branch,’ and is the subject of prophecy by Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Zechariah. Spica is actually Latin for ‘ear of corn’ or ‘a kernel of wheat’, and Jesus Himself alluded to this sign:

    John 12:23-24
    23 And Jesus responded to them, “The hour is come that the Son of Man should be magnified. 24 Truly, truly I say to you, unless a kernel of wheat alights to the earth and dies, it remains a single seed. But if it dies, it bears fruit.”

    There are twenty different Hebrew words for the word branch, but only one of them, Tsemech, is used exclusively in the Old Testament four times, and each time it is in reference to the coming Messiah:

    Isaiah 4:2
    In that day the Branch of God will be beautiful, and resplendent, and the fruit of the land will be the pride, and splendour of the survivors in Israel.

    Jeremiah 23:5
    Behold, the days are coming,” says the LORD. “When I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely, and do what is just and right in the land.

    Zechariah 3:8
    Hear O High Priest and your associates seated before you, who are men symbolic of things to come: I am going to bring My Servant, the Branch.”

    Zechariah 6:12-13
    12 And speak to him saying, this is what of Hosts says: ‘Here is the Man whose name is the Branch, and He will branch out from His place and build the Temple of God, 13 He will be clothed with majesty, and will sit, and rule on His throne. And He will be a Priest on His throne. And there will be prosperity between the two.’

    In studying these prophesies, several things can be learned about the identity of the Branch. He is a King, a Servant, a Man, and a Priest. His name is God, Our Righteousness, and is Jesus Himself. These themes about the Messiah were divinely developed in the Gospels. He is presented as the King in Matthew, a Servant in Mark, a Man in Luke, a Priest in John, and as Himself in John’s Revelation. This Branch prophecy is also eluded to else where:

    Matthew 2:23
    and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene.

    The name Nazareth means ‘Branch-town,’ as the root word for Nazareth is Netzer which means branch or shoot. A Nazarene from Nazareth is like saying an Israeli from Israel. A Netzer is actually a particular kind of branch that grows from a stump of a plant that’s been cut down and has spouted up some distance from the stump, this is what happened with Jesus:

    Isaiah 11:1
    A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

    The stump of Jesse relates to what happened to the Davinic line of descendants. David had taken Israel to the height of its greatest achievements, which his son Solomon maintained until his death, but then the kingdom divided due to civil war, and continued to decline till the southern kingdom of Judah was taken into captivity in Babylon. This was the stump. The Davinic descendants continued on into virtual obscurity until Jesus was born, and this is the Shoot, the Netzer that ‘came up’ in Nazareth far from the original stump in Bethlehem where David had been born.

    However, the heavens declare even more than this as around this time there were also a number of other astronomical alignments beginning to take place involving Venus, the brightest planet, known as the mother planet, and Jupiter, the second brightest planet, known as the king planet. Jupiter in ancient Hebrew is called Zedek and forms part of the word Melchizedek, which means means king of righteousness and represents the Messiah. This all took place in the constellation of Leo which also represents Jesus; The Lion of the tribe of Judah. These conjunctions helped signal the birth of the Messiah and were clearly seen in the east by the Magi.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGUlWa2r-bk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQqo2hFOWwE

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    Your post was too long for me so I didn't read it.

    Can you boil it down to a few paragraphs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    “The original goal of the Gregorian calendar was to change the date of Easter.
    In 1582, when Pope Gregory XIII introduced his Gregorian calendar, Europe adhered to the Julian calendar, first implemented by Julius Caesar in 46 B.C. Since the Roman emperor’s system miscalculated the length of the solar year by 11 minutes, the calendar had since fallen out of sync with the seasons. This concerned Gregory because it meant that Easter, traditionally observed on March 21, fell further away from the spring equinox with each passing year.


    http://www.history.com/news/6-things...orian-calendar


    There were other reasons which should concern Christians desirous to be like Jesus.

    Though Pope Gregory’s papal bull reforming the calendar had no power beyond the Catholic Church, Catholic countries—including Spain, Portugal and Italy—swiftly adopted the new system for their civil affairs. European Protestants, however, largely rejected the change because of its ties to the papacy, fearing it was an attempt to silence their movement. It wasn’t until 1700 that Protestant Germany switched over, and England held out until 1752. Orthodox countries clung to the Julian calendar until even later, and their national churches have never embraced Gregory’s reforms.Ibid.


    The biblical new year begins in the spring...
    What exactly do you mean by celebrate?
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    What are my fruits today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Your post was too long for me so I didn't read it.

    Can you boil it down to a few paragraphs?
    I included two videos if that helps:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGUlWa2r-bk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQqo2hFOWwE

    At the end of the day learning takes effort and if you really were keen to know when your Lord and saviour was born you'd read and watch way more than I gave here. I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Your post was too long for me so I didn't read it.

    Can you boil it down to a few paragraphs?
    Here is a 27 minute video study that goes into the relevant passages, together with his illustrating of the timeline of Jesus' conception and birth.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjPwltc5_74&app=desktop

    Though it'd be quicker to just read Watchman's post.

    Either way, these things are not always a soundbyte or two, but demand a bit more elbow grease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    What exactly do you mean by celebrate?
    Hope this helps...

    https://youtu.be/hG-t5zqaTDw

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Hope this helps...

    https://youtu.be/hG-t5zqaTDw
    Nope, not really helpful. For us, New Years is not a religious celebration at all. We get together with friends and family to eat a drink and enjoy each other's company. So we don't celebrate as you imply. I see no reason that we shouldn't continue to do so.
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    What are my fruits today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
    At the end of the day learning takes effort and if you really were keen to know when your Lord and saviour was born you'd read and watch way more than I gave here. I did.
    I celebrate his death not his birth.

    Scripture does not reveal the date of his birth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    Nope, not really helpful. For us, New Years is not a religious celebration at all. We get together with friends and family to eat a drink and enjoy each other's company. So we don't celebrate as you imply. I see no reason that we shouldn't continue to do so.
    Do you wish to see? Do you want to know if you cause offense to a jealous One of Israel?

    Are you His bride? Could you explain to your wife a photo of another woman in your wallet? “Oh I just carry it to look at it and share it with friends and family...but I think of you when I do”

    Yes I know all to well you do not see a reason to divorce yourself from the world its ways...to die to self and take Him His on...to be a peculiar people doing JUST AS He did and HIS WAY

    This is not for you then...man’s traditions is your law not His wish for you...

    He was clear when His calendar year begins for His people but you see no reason...to celebrate what was once offered to idols and then baptized into your faith by one a pope gregory who still wishes to counterfeit and supplant Him/His way...

    Well you certainly giving unto Caesar...but He still awaits your gratitude for giving you the Sun and Moon and the earth and everything in it...the reality of TIME itself...and with its Sabbath...but I am certain you reject that too...seeing no reason to celebrate it with your family and friends...

    I pray someday you do...

    BTW I note in your avatar you are on horseback...can you ride two horses unequally yoked each headed a different path? Please, for the love of Yah, see and choose again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
    You miss the point totally. Why would God say:

    Exodus 12:2
    "This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year.

    If it was already the first month? God was initiating a new religious year starting at the opposite end of the year as He further explains here:
    Stop. You are arguing from silence and going back to fill it...He is clear the first of the year began the first of this month...not initiating a new religious year starting opposite end of the year...

    These people had been so long in Egypt they had no idea of anything else but pharoahs timing...IF THAT

    Yah had to clue them into the sequence of days in the week as they had not a clue...now moses was trained and knew more but again of Egypt’s way...here he is being instructed of what His counting was...green barley month is 1st month...trumpets blow 6 months later...

    Even the placement of text indicates the first of the calendar year was instructed first THEN the feast of trumptets...

    This start was so random the count had to be started when the barley began to green...then the year and all its festivals commenced...the seventh month had a fixed day sabbath which really messed things up as there might be two sabbaths in a row...so MAN made rules for postponements and so it goes...

    Sure jews celebrate a civil new year the seventh month...but they also drunkenly celebrate Purim also not of Yah...so whatever...


    Exodus 34:22 NIV
    "Celebrate the Festival of Weeks (Pentecost) with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering (Tabernacles or Harvest festival) at the TURN of the year.
    of course they wish to imply turn means NEW YEAR...but turn also means end of harvest season, days and nights equal and the cycle turning into longer nights...

    World English Bible
    "You shall observe the feast of weeks with the first fruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of harvest at the year's END.
    ...sigh

    That is why the Jews today, as always,
    NO.

    (Lol...To quote another jewish poster here on TOL...)

    But please stop.

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/1.615883


    celebrate Rosh Hashanah (meaning; the head of the year) on day 1 of Tishri (Trumpets). It is also the only new moon day God called a Sabbath for this same reason!:

    Leviticus 23:23-25
    23 The LORD said to Moses, 24 “Say to the Israelites: ‘On the first day of the seventh month you are to have a day of SABBATH rest, a sacred assembly commemorated with trumpet blasts. 25 Do no regular work, but present a food offering to the LORD.’ ”
    yes and because of this men later had to add the rules of postponement...learned men...scholarly men I am sure but well...men...with a tradition to maintain...much like yourself...

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