User Tag List

Page 5 of 6 FirstFirst ... 23456 LastLast
Results 61 to 75 of 79

Thread: Should Christians celebrate New Years Day?

  1. #61
    Over 4000 post club
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,066
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 398 Times in 363 Posts

    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    6495
    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    Sorry for my delayed response-they had a sale on "Ripple" wine near by.
    Lol...Pagan Pink being your favorite I imagine...

  2. #62
    Member of the 10 year club on TOL!! CabinetMaker's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    On the back of a horse someplace in Colorado
    Posts
    4,812
    Thanks
    99
    Thanked 656 Times in 461 Posts

    Blog Entries
    4
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    283836
    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Actually you should show if His followers in scripture ever celebrated the Roman new year...

    The instruction was left to keep His commandments...deny yourself take up your cross and follow Him...His way...live more like He did...less like the world

    So please show me where He celebrated a Roman calendar holiday...because I can show you He followed the one given to His obedient people...
    Once again you show your inability to answer a simple question. I asked you to show us something and you can't do it so you try to turn it back on me. Shame on you.

    As to following the commandments of Jesus, lets look at what Jesus commanded:

    Matthew 22:37-40 (NIV)
    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    That's it. Two. If you Google it you can find people who claim He gave 50 but if your look at them closely you will find that they are all based on the two commandment Jesus actually spoke.
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    What are my fruits today?

    Cityboy With Horses A blog about what happens when you say, "I Promise"

    "Moral standards" are a lot like lighthouses: they exist to help us stay on course as we sail through life. But we have to steer BY them, but not directly AT them. Lest we end up marooned on the shoals of perpetual self-righteousness.

  3. #63
    Over 4000 post club
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,066
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 398 Times in 363 Posts

    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    6495
    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    Once again you show your inability to answer a simple question. I asked you to show us something and you can't do it so you try to turn it back on me. Shame on you.
    lol I answered you even offered to answer more from 3 lists of texts but you didnt choose...

    Here is another answer: “Think not that I have come to destroy the Law but to fulfill”...

    Now more than ever this is appropriate because His calendar has appointments we are to fulfill and meet and celebrate. Laws and rules of ceremony and form...all of which He came to fulfill those too...NOT to destroy...THINK NOT...so stop thinking that...He fulfilled all the appointments on His Calendar...all the festivals He celebrated and not one of them Roman...

    So He fulfilled the schedule on HIS calendar accordingly...see? NOT ABOLISHED...so they remain and were kept by His followers even at Pentecost the “birthday of the church”...although I am still with poor Stephen when he calls it the church in the wilderness...given a calander and times to meet...obligations to Yah to FULFILL each year you might say...

    As to following the commandments of Jesus, lets look at what Jesus commanded:

    Matthew 22:37-40 (NIV)
    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    That's it. Two. If you Google it you can find people who claim He gave 50 but if your look at them closely you will find that they are all based on the two commandment Jesus actually spoke.
    Hmmm...your Stockholm syndrome still allows for something left over for Him?

    When it says love Him with ALL it means ALL...give unto Caesar sure but dont celebrate so wantingly and certainly dont replace it with with what is Yah’s time and schedule for parties...

    He is at war with the world’s traditions and corruptions and HATES SIN...hates the idolatry corruption and counterfeiting of what HE provided first...

    Elsewhere He commentates on these two Laws...LOVE AS I HAVE LOVED YOU...and not one New Years party for roman scheduling was included in that love...in fact HE HATED when His OWN began to play footsie with other peoples and their traditions...HATED it when they compromised and played nice going along to get along...

    Yes LOVE God and each other...not with the love of a world compromised self obsessed but with the Love He loved Us first...radically different than the world’s love...

    And it comes with it’s own calendar...it’s like we were MADE for this love...He thought of everything...up to you to chose though...

    You are still trying to ride two horses unequally yoked and actually going opposite directions...

  4. #64
    Member of the 10 year club on TOL!! CabinetMaker's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    On the back of a horse someplace in Colorado
    Posts
    4,812
    Thanks
    99
    Thanked 656 Times in 461 Posts

    Blog Entries
    4
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    283836
    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    lol I answered you even offered to answer more from 3 lists of texts but you didnt choose...

    Here is another answer: “Think not that I have come to destroy the Law but to fulfill”...

    Now more than ever this is appropriate because His calendar has appointments we are to fulfill and meet and celebrate. Laws and rules of ceremony and form...all of which He came to fulfill those too...NOT to destroy...THINK NOT...so stop thinking that...He fulfilled all the appointments on His Calendar...all the festivals He celebrated and not one of them Roman...

    So He fulfilled the schedule on HIS calendar accordingly...see? NOT ABOLISHED...so they remain and were kept by His followers even at Pentecost the “birthday of the church”...although I am still with poor Stephen when he calls it the church in the wilderness...given a calander and times to meet...obligations to Yah to FULFILL each year you might say...



    Hmmm...your Stockholm syndrome still allows for something left over for Him?

    When it says love Him with ALL it means ALL...give unto Caesar sure but dont celebrate so wantingly and certainly dont replace it with with what is Yah’s time and schedule for parties...

    He is at war with the world’s traditions and corruptions and HATES SIN...hates the idolatry corruption and counterfeiting of what HE provided first...

    Elsewhere He commentates on these two Laws...LOVE AS I HAVE LOVED YOU...and not one New Years party for roman scheduling was included in that love...in fact HE HATED when His OWN began to play footsie with other peoples and their traditions...HATED it when they compromised and played nice going along to get along...

    Yes LOVE God and each other...not with the love of a world compromised self obsessed but with the Love He loved Us first...radically different than the world’s love...

    And it comes with it’s own calendar...it’s like we were MADE for this love...He thought of everything...up to you to chose though...

    You are still trying to ride two horses unequally yoked and actually going opposite directions...
    Hmmm.... Still nothing regarding Jesus commanding Gentiles keep the Jewish calendar.
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    What are my fruits today?

    Cityboy With Horses A blog about what happens when you say, "I Promise"

    "Moral standards" are a lot like lighthouses: they exist to help us stay on course as we sail through life. But we have to steer BY them, but not directly AT them. Lest we end up marooned on the shoals of perpetual self-righteousness.

  5. #65
    Over 4000 post club
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,066
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 398 Times in 363 Posts

    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    6495
    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    Hmmm.... Still nothing regarding Jesus commanding Gentiles keep the Jewish calendar.
    Yup...so I guess the life He lived to exemplify “love one another AS I HAVE LOVED YOU” is not for you...the world loves that you celebrate with it its way not Him His way...

    Carry on...good luck riding two horses...going opposite directions

  6. #66
    Member of the 10 year club on TOL!! CabinetMaker's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    On the back of a horse someplace in Colorado
    Posts
    4,812
    Thanks
    99
    Thanked 656 Times in 461 Posts

    Blog Entries
    4
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    283836
    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Yup...so I guess the life He lived to exemplify “love one another AS I HAVE LOVED YOU” is not for you...the world loves that you celebrate with it its way not Him His way...

    Carry on...good luck riding two horses...going opposite directions
    This is not helping your position. Jesus was born and raised Jewish. He held to Jewish traditions while He fulfilled the law. But you still haven't shown us where Jesus commanded the Gentiles to live according to Mosaic Law and Jewish traditions. You claim to have three texts that support this. Pick one and post it. Heck, post all three.
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    What are my fruits today?

    Cityboy With Horses A blog about what happens when you say, "I Promise"

    "Moral standards" are a lot like lighthouses: they exist to help us stay on course as we sail through life. But we have to steer BY them, but not directly AT them. Lest we end up marooned on the shoals of perpetual self-righteousness.

  7. #67
    Over 4000 post club
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,066
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 398 Times in 363 Posts

    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    6495
    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    This is not helping your position. Jesus was born and raised Jewish. He held to Jewish traditions while He fulfilled the law. But you still haven't shown us where Jesus commanded the Gentiles to live according to Mosaic Law and Jewish traditions. You claim to have three texts that support this. Pick one and post it. Heck, post all three.
    He said follow Him...keep the commandments abide in His love christened the new covenant age to a room full of Jews not a gentile among them...they changed not at all after...still hurried to bring Him off the cross an OT Law...still kept Sabbath Passover (14 days after His new year) still kept kosher...

    You reject we are citizens of Israel now His people...there no longer remains Jew or Gentile...but His people living and celebrating and worshipping Him/His Way...His faith

    Is why James the brother of Jesus even concluded the Jerusalem council matter fully expecting the Gentiles to keep hearing Moses every Sabbath...they wanted into the promise and into His house with its house rules...

    It is believers and followers of Him/His Way and the rest of the world seeking to change times and laws...

  8. #68
    Member of the 10 year club on TOL!! CabinetMaker's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    On the back of a horse someplace in Colorado
    Posts
    4,812
    Thanks
    99
    Thanked 656 Times in 461 Posts

    Blog Entries
    4
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    283836
    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    He said follow Him...keep the commandments abide in His love christened the new covenant age to a room full of Jews not a gentile among them...they changed not at all after...still hurried to bring Him off the cross an OT Law...still kept Sabbath Passover (14 days after His new year) still kept kosher...
    Jesus gave us two commandments. They are both based not on laws but on love. You should be doing things not because there is a law that says do this or don't do that, you should be doing what is right out of love for God and for those around you.

    You reject we are citizens of Israel now His people...there no longer remains Jew or Gentile...but His people living and celebrating and worshipping Him/His Way...His faith
    Jesus faith was not in the law, it was in His Father. That is where our faith should be. The law CANNOT save us, only condemn us.

    Is why James the brother of Jesus even concluded the Jerusalem council matter fully expecting the Gentiles to keep hearing Moses every Sabbath...they wanted into the promise and into His house with its house rules...
    This was a huge point of conflict between the Apostles after Jesus died. It even lead to Paul rebuking Peter. Peter wanted to only go to the Jews while Paul wanted to go to Jew and Gentile. Paul was right.

    It is believers and followers of Him/His Way and the rest of the world seeking to change times and laws...
    His way was the way of love, not the way of dates.

    Have you read any of Paul's epistles? Paul provided a lot of teachings regarding the law, Jew's and Gentiles.
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    What are my fruits today?

    Cityboy With Horses A blog about what happens when you say, "I Promise"

    "Moral standards" are a lot like lighthouses: they exist to help us stay on course as we sail through life. But we have to steer BY them, but not directly AT them. Lest we end up marooned on the shoals of perpetual self-righteousness.

  9. #69
    Over 4000 post club
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,066
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 398 Times in 363 Posts

    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    6495
    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    Jesus gave us two commandments. They are both based not on laws but on love. You should be doing things not because there is a law that says do this or don't do that, you should be doing what is right out of love for God and for those around you.

    Jesus faith was not in the law, it was in His Father. That is where our faith should be. The law CANNOT save us, only condemn us.

    This was a huge point of conflict between the Apostles after Jesus died. It even lead to Paul rebuking Peter. Peter wanted to only go to the Jews while Paul wanted to go to Jew and Gentile. Paul was right.

    His way was the way of love, not the way of dates.

    Have you read any of Paul's epistles? Paul provided a lot of teachings regarding the law, Jew's and Gentiles.
    Even pagans love each other...big deal...we are to love as He loved us...JUST AS...He never celebrated Roman ways...

    His Love was unique not of this world and even Paul was killed for not conforming his love to the way the world loved or compromising with it...learn NOT the ways

    Faith in the Father is doing His will His Way...He has a calendar and gave it to His people...a gift and is only some of His Love...

  10. #70
    Member of the 10 year club on TOL!! CabinetMaker's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    On the back of a horse someplace in Colorado
    Posts
    4,812
    Thanks
    99
    Thanked 656 Times in 461 Posts

    Blog Entries
    4
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    283836
    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Even pagans love each other...big deal...we are to love as He loved us...JUST AS...He never celebrated Roman ways...

    His Love was unique not of this world and even Paul was killed for not conforming his love to the way the world loved or compromising with it...learn NOT the ways

    Faith in the Father is doing His will His Way...He has a calendar and gave it to His people...a gift and is only some of His Love...
    He loved us irrelevant of dates. He scolded Pharisees for refusing to help on the Sabbath because the Pharisees were following the Law of Moses, not the law of love. Love of God, love for our neighbor is independent of any date. You are so focused on Mosaic Law that you to fail to grasp Christ's law of love. That is why you need to go into scripture and find where Jesus commanded Gentiles to follow Mosaic Law as a condition of salvation. If you can't find that verse then you need to spend more time figuring out the difference between laws and love.

    Here is a hint; if you are judging people based on their adherence to Jewish custom then you do not know Jesus's love. If you wish to follow Jewish customs but do not judge others for following different customs then you know God's love.
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    What are my fruits today?

    Cityboy With Horses A blog about what happens when you say, "I Promise"

    "Moral standards" are a lot like lighthouses: they exist to help us stay on course as we sail through life. But we have to steer BY them, but not directly AT them. Lest we end up marooned on the shoals of perpetual self-righteousness.

  11. #71
    TOL Legend john w's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Heavenly Places
    Posts
    17,149
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 11,922 Times in 8,377 Posts

    Mentioned
    99 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    2147842
    Only 350 days left....


    ...
    Saint John W

  12. #72
    Over 4000 post club
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,066
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 398 Times in 363 Posts

    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    6495
    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    He loved us irrelevant of dates.
    No greater love is that He lay His life down for us...they tried to kill Him a few times but there is actually a reason why He laid His life down at Passover...obviously you are not that interested so I will spare you the details...every date He gave us is because He loves us...imagine that...Sabbath made for man...by the Lord of the Sabbath...imagine that...His Sabbath signifies His authority...a date to remind us of exactly His love creating us and delivering us from sin’s slavery...other dates given are actually to help us understand His love...seems important enough to Him that He calls them His festivals...celebrated forever...

    He scolded Pharisees for refusing to help on the Sabbath because the Pharisees were following the Law of Moses, not the law of love.
    has nothing to do with abolishing the date because others misused it or abused it...in fact He could have healed on any other day as all the healings were not emergencies but He wished to provoke, trigger the pharisees and thus chose that day...important day to teach Who is Lord of the Sabbath...and that man’s traditions should not come above His Way...

    Love of God, love for our neighbor is independent of any date.
    really? Which god? Buddhists have their calendars as do Hindus...follow them and claim the same...Muslims too...you employ your neighbor do you work him 7 days a week? We love god in how we worship and when...You even forget it wasn’t until 1752 that British colonies (america) accepted the Gregorian calendar as prior that it was too papist...they had been reluctant to live in papist manner...a differing view and understanding of God His ways...

    You are so focused on Mosaic Law that you to fail to grasp Christ's law of love.
    not at all...just showed you how in His living Love for us He gave us dates to follow...kept them and instructed we do the same to abide in His love...dates that even became memorials to that love...

    That is why you need to go into scripture and find where Jesus commanded Gentiles to follow Mosaic Law as a condition of salvation. If you can't find that verse then you need to spend more time figuring out the difference between laws and love.
    not even jews followed the calendar given to His people all of Israel (not just jews BTW) as a condition of salvation...they had faith first AND THEN were saved and that IS WHY they follow Him His calendar...it actually marks when they were freed from slavery...imagine that...a date...a memorial to His love in action...

    Here is a hint; if you are judging people based on their adherence to Jewish custom then you do not know Jesus's love.
    oh thanks...but your hint rejects His calendar was for all Israel...are you a citizen or not?...are you aware of exactly these date DECLARE HIS LOVE?

    If you wish to follow Jewish customs but do not judge others for following different customs then you know God's love.
    We are slaves to Him and if any profess a Love for Him their fruits will reveal it...more like Him as He lived less like the world...

    we are to judge our brothers but perhaps you are not of Israel grafted in part of His people...but we are to judge as someday we will judge the world, angels even...you wont even stop eating food offered to idols for sake of a brother...

    so far you reveal you are enslaved by someone else and his customs with which he would change both TIMES and Laws with a counterfeit love...

    sadly you are suffering such Stockholm syndrome you forget you are held captive...even celebrate your captors their way...

  13. #73
    TOL Legend john w's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Heavenly Places
    Posts
    17,149
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 11,922 Times in 8,377 Posts

    Mentioned
    99 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    2147842
    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    sadly you are suffering such Stockholm syndrome you forget you are held captive...even celebrate your captors their way...
    I suffered from that on New Year's night....

    Saint John W

  14. The Following User Says Thank You to john w For Your Post:

    User Name (January 16th, 2018)

  15. #74
    Over 2000 post club User Name's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    2,050
    Thanks
    470
    Thanked 418 Times in 293 Posts

    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    203711
    Next topic: Should Christians celebrate Valentine's Day? Prediction: Clefty says no.

  16. #75
    Over 4000 post club
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,066
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 398 Times in 363 Posts

    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    6495
    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    Next topic: Should Christians celebrate Valentine's Day? Prediction: Clefty says no.
    Oh no...that one is ok...it’s to celebrate the love Jesus had for His valentine Mary Magdalene...they later married and had children and stuff...legendary ones too...something about a grail

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
About us
Since 1997 TheologyOnline (TOL) has been one of the most popular theology forums on the internet. On TOL we encourage spirited conversation about religion, politics, and just about everything else.

follow us