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    Quote Originally Posted by iouae View Post
    But it does. Rom 7:8
    For without the law sin was dead.
    How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

    Did Satan first sin in rebelling against His Creator?
    Did Cain sin murdering his bro?
    (Sin existed long before 'The Law')
    Without Genesis, absolutely nothing makes sense in all of Scripture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6days View Post
    How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

    Did Satan first sin in rebelling against His Creator?
    Did Cain sin murdering his bro?
    (Sin existed long before 'The Law')
    Did you have a good holiday 6days?

    Its not the head of the pin you need to worry about. You missed the point.

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    "Be yourself" is the worst advice one can give anyone.

    The only one who can "be Himself" is God.

    All the rest of us have to "Be like Him".

    All the law and the prophets can be summarised by saying "Be like God".

    Copy the Most High, but you are not a "most high". His will be done. And His will is that you become like Him, but subject to Him.

    Lucifer wanted to "Be like Him" but not subject to Him.

    God will not allow rival empires to form, because any competitor is not being like Him, they are being like their own selves, or being their own "Most High".

    Folks think that Lucifer made war with God. I don't think so.
    Lucifer persuaded other angels to flee to the North away from God.

    God pursued them there with the heavenly host and cast them down to earth, because Lucifer wanted to be himself.

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    When God was alone, God just did what He wanted. There was no question of good and evil.

    The moment God created other beings, He wanted them to be like Him, and subject to Him.
    Only when other beings entered the picture did the concept of "good" and "evil" arise.

    You are good if you conform to God's will. You are evil if you go against God's will.

    There is a difference between "sin" and "evil".

    God wrote down laws telling his creation how to conform to His will. To break this law would be to "sin".

    But no set of laws can ever truly cover every aspect of "good" or what God's will is. We need to know the Father and obey Him in the spirit as well as the letter of His law and will.

    One can keep the law and still be against the will of the Father. The Scribes and Pharisees who put Christ to death are a case in point, because they did not recognise His Son.

    The OC was more about the letter of the law.
    The NC includes the spirit of the law.

    But it needed Christ to DEMONSTRATE how to live in conformity with the Father's will.
    And how Christ lived looked a lot different to how the Pharisees imagined a good OC law keeper to be.

    For instance Christ had no problem interacting with sinners, touching them, forgiving them.
    The Scribes and Pharisees tried to avoid sinners, not realising they were just as big sinners, and self righteous on top of that.

    But still, "good" and "evil" only exist in relation to one Almighty God. Going against His will is "not good" or "bad". The Greeks and Romans and polytheists did not have this, because the gods warred among themselves. Thus siding with one god displeased another. There was no definition of "good" as being to conform to "god's" will. Which "god" would you choose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iouae View Post
    When God was alone, God just did what He wanted. There was no question of good and evil.
    God was never alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    God was never alone.
    Exactly!
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iouae View Post
    Folks think that Lucifer made war with God. I don't think so.
    Lucifer persuaded other angels to flee to the North away from God.

    God pursued them there with the heavenly host and cast them down to earth, because Lucifer wanted to be himself.
    Wow !!! That's the Luciferian, New Age, Globalist and ancient mystery religions connections I've been posting about for the last ten days. That's exactly what all the secret societies teach, Illuminati, Freemasons etc. They claim satan only wanted to help mankind.

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    There is one last aspect to being good.

    Christ had to come to earth to learn how hard it is being human. Jesus learned obedience to the will of the Father. Then He returned to sit at the right hand of the Father.

    Now Jesus sends the Holy Spirit to be in us so that He can be in our minds, willing us on, and empowering us to conform to the will of the Father. Thus it seems to require a supernatural element for humans to be truly "good".

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Wow !!! That's the Luciferian, New Age, Globalist and ancient mystery religions connections I've been posting about for the last ten days. That's exactly what all the secret societies teach, Illuminati, Freemasons etc. They claim satan only wanted to help mankind.

    Point to one sentence where I said that Satan only wanted to help mankind.

    Or, for that matter where these secret societies teach what I wrote above.

    If you can't find it, it does not exist, and you become a false witness and a false accuser. And that is evil.

    And don't post another video link and consider that "proof".
    Give us a written quote that we can look at and examine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    God was never alone.
    I was simplifying it because it would have been harder to write "when YHWH Elohim alone existed". Anyhow, God is a collective noun.
    So I can say "When God was alone..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by iouae View Post
    There is one last aspect to being good.

    Christ had to come to earth to learn how hard it is being human. Jesus learned obedience to the will of the Father. Then He returned to sit at the right hand of the Father.

    Now Jesus sends the Holy Spirit to be in us so that He can be in our minds, willing us on, and empowering us to conform to the will of the Father. Thus it seems to require a supernatural element for humans to be truly "good".
    Couldn't be something as simple as our being created to find fulfilment and happiness when in a trusting relationship with our Creator?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iouae View Post
    I was simplifying it because it would have been harder to write "when YHWH Elohim alone existed". Anyhow, God is a collective noun.
    So I can say "When God was alone..."
    You can say whatever you'd like, but you'd still be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iouae View Post

    Christ had to come to earth to learn how hard it is being human.
    No, He didn't. God knows all things. He certainly knows what it means to be a human being, since He's the One who created us. Therefore, you need to look for another reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iouae View Post
    There is one last aspect to being good.

    Christ had to come to earth to learn how hard it is being human.
    Jeremiah 32:27 KJV - Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Couldn't be something as simple as our being created to find fulfilment and happiness when in a trusting relationship with our Creator?
    Is that your definition of what "good" is?

    I challenged Clete, JudgeRightly and anyone else to come up with a definition of good which does not include conformity to the will of God.

    Do you think you can have a "trusting relationship with our Creator" without being subject to His will.

    Do you think you can "find fulfilment and happiness" outside His will?

    The demons who followed the fallen Lucifer did.
    And look how happy they are today.

    So even your definition, as limited as it is, includes the basic point I am making. "Good" is conformity to God's will.

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