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    Gay 'chemsex' is fueling HIV epidemics in Europe, experts warn
    Chemsex refers to the use of drugs such as crystal meth to enhance sexual arousal and performance. Experts say it's pervasive in some European cities.

    Sept. 12, 2019

    A surge in "chemsex" parties, where people spend days getting high on drugs and having sex with scores of partners, is re-fueling epidemics of HIV among gay men in European towns and cities, doctors say.
    Despite much higher risks of contracting the virus that causes AIDS, as well as other sexually transmitted infections (STIs), users search online "hook-up" apps like Grindr for tags such as "high and horny" or "party and play" to find others wanting drug-heightened and often anonymous and unprotected sex.

    The result, AIDS experts say, is that in cities across Europe, HIV is spreading rapidly among men who have sex with men — leading to concentrated epidemics in hard-to-reach groups...

    It's not just a UK thing," he told Reuters during the IAPAC conference. "It's in Amsterdam, Berlin, Munich, Rome, Kiev, Moscow, Helsinki — and in many of what people call 'gay destinations,' like (Spain's) Ibiza, Torremolinos, the Canary Islands."

    Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1053086

    And without a doubt an American homosexual "thing" as well.

    With the President of the United States recently warning about the dangers of vaping, you'd think that Donald Trump would warn against the risks of homosexuality as well.

    The high health risks of 'gay' sex: Yet another reason "Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized!"

    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    This is great news and hopefully out of fear, other evil cities and States that are denying individuals freedom of choice to help understand and possibly overcome unnatural same sex desires and confusion of one's gender will follow, but...

    New York City to repeal ban on gay 'conversion therapy' amid legal battle

    Sept. 14, 2019

    The New York city council is planning to repeal a two-year-old ban on “gay conversion therapy” to avoid a costly uphill legal fight.
    The New York Times reports that the city’s openly gay Council Speaker Corey Johnson introduced a bill on Thursday to repeal a measure passed in 2017 banning the sale of “services intended to change a person’s sexual orientation or gender identity.”

    With a conservative-leaning U.S. Supreme Court makeup, Johnson doesn’t seem to want the law to be tested in the legal system. He vowed that the council would act quickly to repeal the law.
    “Obviously I didn’t want to repeal this,” Johnson was quoted as saying. “I don’t want to be someone who is giving in to these right-wing groups. But the Supreme Court has become conservative; the Second Circuit, which oversees New York, has become more conservative.”
    The city's ban is being challenged by the conservative religious freedom legal group Alliance Defending Freedom, which has won nine Supreme Court cases in the last seven years.
    ADF’s lawsuit was filed in January on behalf of Dr. David Schwartz, a licensed psychotherapist and an adherent to the Lubavitcher Orthodox Jewish Community in Brooklyn.

    Read more: https://www.christianpost.com/news/n...al-battle.html

    A couple of points:

    1). If the people behind this evil ban want to believe that the Supreme Court is "conservative leaning", that's fine with me, but if you look at their recent rulings (rulings also meaning refusing to hear cases) on homosexuality and abortion, they're far from conservative.

    In the Masterpiece Cakeshop v CO Civil Rights Commission case, SCOTUS ruled that the CCRC was being biased towards baker Jack Phillips, but it was by no means a victory for religious liberty, as the ruling didn't overturn any pro homosexual/anti discrimination laws, nor did it set any legal precedence like Roe v Wade, Lawrence v Texas or Obergefell v Hodges did.

    In the case of Ingersoll v Arlene's Flowers: SCOTUS sent the case back to the Washington State Supreme Court where it ruled in favor of the homosexual couple.

    The "conservative leaning" Supreme Court of the United States also in essence ruled in favor our the nation's largest abortion provider (Planned Parenthood) when they declined to hear the case where numerous States wanted to cut Medicare funding for Planned Parenthood.

    2). Regarding these 9 SCOTUS cases that the Alliance Defending Freedom/ADF allegedly won in the last 7 years.

    Without looking those cases up and studying the details, I can tell you that the ADF often times (as in the case of Masterpiece Cakeshop) doesn't argue for religious freedom, they argue for "artistic freedom", which even secular humanists creating "art" belittling Jesus Christ have.

    If one of the 9 cases they're speaking about is the Hobby Lobby case, that wasn't a win for the unborn, as it doesn't keep women that gets benefits from Hobby Lobby from getting an abortion, it was an economic win for companies that choose not to provide their employees benefits for abortion.

    We'll see what happens down the road with this, because as mentioned in earlier posts, SCOTUS will be hearing cases on homosexual and transsexual discrimination in the near future, and it could very well adversely effect therapy for those with unwanted homosexual desires.


    Donald Trump SCOTUS appointees Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh who by no means in many of their rulings have been "conservative".
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Given that human sexual orientation is not a conscious decision, how can it be criminalized?

    In the past homosexual activity has been criminalized, but there is no objective means of determining an individual's sexual orientation unless he/she volunteers that information!

    Throughout history homosexuals have been persecuted, so the question remains as to why these individuals would jeopardize their standing in the community, risking incarceration and even death if it was within their power to make a conscious decision that would change their sexual orientation to one that was socially acceptable?

    If "aCultureWarrior" wishes to contest this point, he can enlighten us as to the specific time and place as to when he made that conscious decision as to his sexual orientation!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Given that human sexual orientation is not a conscious decision, how can it be criminalized?

    In the past homosexual activity has been criminalized, but the fact remains as to why anyone would jeopardize their standing in the community and risk incarceration if one could consciously change their sexual orientation to one that was socially acceptable?

    If "aCultureWarrior" wishes to contest this point, he can enlighten us as to the specific time and place as to when he made that conscious decision as to his sexual orientation!
    Do you apply this same logic to pedophiles also?

    Or is it just for the homos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Do you apply this same logic to pedophiles also?

    Or is it just for the homos?
    Homosexuals are no more redisposed to be pedophiles than heterosexuals - it has been mine experience, however, that conservative Christians deliberately attempt to link the two to add "shock value" to their arguments!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Homosexuals are no more redisposed to be pedophiles than heterosexuals
    So you would be OK with pedophiles who didn't make the conscious choice to like children to live nextdoor to you and your family? How about if he or she was a homo?

    - it has been mine experience, however, that conservative Christians deliberately attempt to link the two to add "shock value" to their arguments!
    Would you, or would you not, like it if a pedophile moved in next door who claimed to be a pedophile only because he was "born that way" (or "I never made the conscious decision to be a pedophile)?

    Anecdotal arguments aren't very effective. And what's more, I honestly don't care about your complaints about "shock value." The truth is offensive to those who hate the truth. And the truth is that both homosexuals and pedophiles should be put to death upon conviction of their respective crime.

    Here's the thing, JG. God doesn't care (nor should the government, nor should the church, nor should the public, nor should you) if the person consciously made the decision to "be a homo/pedophile." He says put them to death if they have been convicted of their respective crimes. That means if a homo was convicted of homosexual actions, he or she should be put to death. That means if a pedophile was convicted of pedophilic actions, he or she should be put to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    So you would be OK with pedophiles who didn't make the conscious choice to like children to live nextdoor to you and your family? How about if he or she was a homo?



    Would you, or would you not, like it if a pedophile moved in next door who claimed to be a pedophile only because he was "born that way" (or "I never made the conscious decision to be a pedophile)?

    Anecdotal arguments aren't very effective. And what's more, I honestly don't care about your complaints about "shock value." The truth is offensive to those who hate the truth. And the truth is that both homosexuals and pedophiles should be put to death upon conviction of their respective crime.

    Here's the thing, JG. God doesn't care (nor should the government, nor should the church, nor should the public, nor should you) if the person consciously made the decision to "be a homo/pedophile." He says put them to death if they have been convicted of their respective crimes. That means if a homo was convicted of homosexual actions, he or she should be put to death. That means if a pedophile was convicted of pedophilic actions, he or she should be put to death.
    How Trump’s Labor Secretary Cut a Deal for Multimillionaire & Serial Sexual Abuser Jeffrey Epstein
    - January 04, 2019

    On June 30th, 2008, Jeffrey Epstein, a Palm Beach multimillionaire hedge fund manager, received what might have been the most lenient plea deal for a serial sex offender in U.S. history. The Miami Herald identified over 60 of his victims, just young middle and high school girls at the time of the abuse. More than a decade later, several of them are talking for the first time about how they were molested by Epstein and believed they were betrayed by the very prosecutors who were supposed to hold Epstein accountable

    https://www.democracynow.org/2019/1/...ecretary_cut_a
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    Where is Epstein's prosecutor now and what is he doing - apparently Alexander Acosta possesses all the qualifications this President was seeking for a Labor Secretary in his Cabinet!

    Epstein's lawyers in 2008 included Whitewater prosecutor Ken Starr and celebrity attorney Alan Dershowitz.

    What must God be thinking when America's "evangelical" Christians voted this President into office and have continued to support him for the last 3 years!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    How Trumpís Labor Secretary Cut a Deal for Multimillionaire & Serial Sexual Abuser Jeffrey Epstein
    - January 04, 2019

    On June 30th, 2008, Jeffrey Epstein, a Palm Beach multimillionaire hedge fund manager, received what might have been the most lenient plea deal for a serial sex offender in U.S. history. The Miami Herald identified over 60 of his victims, just young middle and high school girls at the time of the abuse. More than a decade later, several of them are talking for the first time about how they were molested by Epstein and believed they were betrayed by the very prosecutors who were supposed to hold Epstein accountable

    https://www.democracynow.org/2019/1/...ecretary_cut_a
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    Where is Epstein's prosecutor now and what is he doing - apparently Alexander Acosta possesses all the qualifications this President was seeking for a Labor Secretary in his Cabinet!

    What must God be thinking when America's "evangelical" Christians voted this President into office and have continued to support him for the last 3 years!
    So bring pedophilia charges against him.

    Can you?

    I noticed you didn't answer my question, but tried to distract from it:


    So you would be OK with pedophiles who didn't make the conscious choice to like children to live nextdoor to you and your family? How about if he or she was a homo?

    Would you, or would you not, like it if a pedophile moved in next door who claimed to be a pedophile only because he was "born that way" (or "I never made the conscious decision to be a pedophile)?


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    More lies from Trump lemming Dr. Michael Brown and Trump's lackeys at Charisma News: https://www.charismanews.com/opinion...e-culture-wars

    According to Michael Brown, there is positive results in the culture war for Christians, i.e. conservatives. Brown's lies are in bold, my answer follows.

    1. The number of abortions in America continues to drop.

    With pills to terminate pregnancies, who needs the knife anymore?
    https://www.abort73.com/abortion_fac...on_statistics/

    2. New York City has decided to drop an oppressive ban on so-called conversion therapy.

    As mentioned in a recent post of mine, that would be due to a lawsuit and what the rainbow flag wavers of NYC believe how SCOTUS will rule on the subject if it should be heard by them. That would be the same SCOTUS that sides with the LGBT movement in recent cases.

    3. In response to parental protests, different cities are now canceling "Drag Queen Story Hours" in local libraries

    And moving them to other venues like public parks. Same ole child indoctrination Mike, just a different location.
    https://www.wfla.com/mobile/drag-que...ed-protests-2/


    Trump lemming and faux conservative Dr. Michael Brown
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    How Trump’s Labor Secretary Cut a Deal for Multimillionaire & Serial Sexual Abuser Jeffrey Epstein
    - January 04, 2019

    On June 30th, 2008, Jeffrey Epstein, a Palm Beach multimillionaire hedge fund manager, received what might have been the most lenient plea deal for a serial sex offender in U.S. history. The Miami Herald identified over 60 of his victims, just young middle and high school girls at the time of the abuse. More than a decade later, several of them are talking for the first time about how they were molested by Epstein and believed they were betrayed by the very prosecutors who were supposed to hold Epstein accountable

    https://www.democracynow.org/2019/1/...ecretary_cut_a
    ********************************************
    Where is Epstein's prosecutor now and what is he doing - apparently Alexander Acosta possesses all the qualifications this President was seeking for a Labor Secretary in his Cabinet!

    Epstein's lawyers in 2008 included Whitewater prosecutor Ken Starr and celebrity attorney Alan Dershowitz.

    What must God be thinking when America's "evangelical" Christians voted this President into office and have continued to support him for the last 3 years!
    Thanks for pointing out another connection between your rainbow flag waving ally Donald Trump and the now deceased pedophile Jefferey Epstein.

    Many Trump lemmings point out that Trump couldn't be friends with Epstein because Trump evicted Epstein from Trump's Mar largo resort property when Epstein was accused of sexually molesting a youth there.

    Imagine the PR nightmare for Trump if he didn't politely ask Epstein to leave.

    Now that Epstein is dead and his knowledge of what all his high profile customers did died with him, the only people (if they're still alive) that can come forward and expose these child molesting perverts are the girls and boys (yes, Epstein had homosexual clientele' like actor Kevin Spacey) that are now adults. It would be nice if they came forward, but I'd be afraid that they'd conveniently die from things like drug overdoses, suicide and car accidents if that ever happened.

    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior

    Now that Epstein is dead and his knowledge of what all his high profile customers did died with him, the only people (if they're still alive) that can come forward and expose these child molesting perverts are the girls and boys (yes, Epstein had homosexual clientele' like actor Kevin Spacey) that are now adults. It would be nice if they came forward, but I'd be afraid that they'd conveniently die from things like drug overdoses, suicide and car accidents if that ever happened.

    It appears I spoke too soon.

    Jeffrey Epstein accusers detail abuse in NBC News exclusive

    Sept. 20, 2019

    In an NBC News exclusive, Savannah Guthrie sits down with six women who have leveled sexual assault allegations against disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, who died by suicide in August. In her first TV interview, Virginia Roberts Giuffre details how Epstein directed her to have sex with other powerful men, including Britain’s Prince Andrew. See the full conversation Friday at 10 p.m. EST on “Dateline.”
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/video...cid=spartandhp

    It will be interesting to see if real powerful men's names are exposed (Prince Andrew doesn't hold any power), or if these women were hand picked to expose those that are expendable.

    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    If at first you don't succeed in getting your nomination of an openly homosexual/homosexual activist to the already ultra liberal 9th Circuit Court of Appeals by the US Senate, try again.

    Trump nominates openly gay [homosexual] Harvard Law alum for federal appeals bench

    Sept. 20, 2019

    President Trump for the second time has nominated Patrick J. Bumatay, an openly gay [homosexual] prosecutor and Harvard Law alumnus, to the bench of a federal appeals court in California.
    In a statement Friday, the White House said Trump intends to nominate Bumatay, 41, to the US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. He’s a 2006 graduate of Harvard Law.
    Bumatay, the statement said, is currently a federal prosecutor and “previously served as Counselor to the Attorney General [Jeff Sessions] on various criminal issues, including the national opioid strategy and transnational organized crime.”
    He received his bachelor’s degree from Yale, and he’s a member of the “National Filipino American Lawyers Association, the National Asian Pacific American Bar Association, the Tom Homann LGBT Law Association, and the Federal Bar Association,” the statement said.

    Read more: https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...lgM/story.html

    Here's the website to the Tom Homann LGBT Law Association, which Trump's nominee Patrick Bumatay is a member of.
    https://thla.org/

    Those following this 5 part thread remember that Donald Trump nominated openly homosexual/homosexual activist Patrick Bumatay to the already ultra liberal 9th Circuit Court of Appeals last year, but because of what very well might have been some opposition from the Republican controlled Senate Judiciary Committee, the nomination wasn't confirmed (yet the same Republican controlled Senate Judiciary Committee and the Republican controlled Senate confirmed and unanimously approved the nomination of openly homosexual/homosexual activist Judge Mary Rowlands as a Federal District Court Judge for Northern Illinois in August of 2019).

    We'll see if the Senate approves of openly homosexual/homosexual activist Patrick Bumatay this time around, and if so, Donald Trump and his LGBT movement will have yet another homosexual activist in the Judicial branch of government.


    Openly homosexual/homosexual activist Patrick Bumatay, who has been nominated by rainbow flag waving President Donald Trump a second time to the ultra liberal 9th Circuit Court of Appeals
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    So you would be OK with pedophiles who didn't make the conscious choice to like children to live nextdoor to you and your family? How about if he or she was a homo?

    Would you, or would you not, like it if a pedophile moved in next door who claimed to be a pedophile only because he was "born that way" (or "I never made the conscious decision to be a pedophile)?

    Anecdotal arguments aren't very effective. And what's more, I honestly don't care about your complaints about "shock value." The truth is offensive to those who hate the truth. And the truth is that both homosexuals and pedophiles should be put to death upon conviction of their respective crime.

    Here's the thing, JG. God doesn't care (nor should the government, nor should the church, nor should the public, nor should you) if the person consciously made the decision to "be a homo/pedophile." He says put them to death if they have been convicted of their respective crimes. That means if a homo was convicted of homosexual actions, he or she should be put to death. That means if a pedophile was convicted of pedophilic actions, he or she should be put to death.
    LEVITICUS 20 "Punishments for Sin"

    7 “‘Consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am the Lord your God.

    8 Keep my decrees and follow them. I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

    9 “‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.

    10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.


    11 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

    12 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his daughter-in-law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.

    13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
    1) Given that President Trump is on his 3rd wife and paid "hush money" to several women, including porn star "Stormy Daniels" with whom he had an affair while married to Melania, he would be put to death according to verse 10.

    2)If one demands the death penalty for committing homosexual acts (verse 13),one must also be willing to have those children who curses their father or mother executed (verse 9) which would eliminate much of the world's population!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Leviticus 20 New International Version (NIV)
    Instead of bringing up red herrings, how about you respond to what I wrote:

    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    So you would be OK with pedophiles who didn't make the conscious choice to like children to live nextdoor to you and your family? How about if he or she was a homo?



    Would you, or would you not, like it if a pedophile moved in next door who claimed to be a pedophile only because he was "born that way" (or "I never made the conscious decision to be a pedophile)?

    Anecdotal arguments aren't very effective. And what's more, I honestly don't care about your complaints about "shock value." The truth is offensive to those who hate the truth. And the truth is that both homosexuals and pedophiles should be put to death upon conviction of their respective crime.

    Here's the thing, JG. God doesn't care (nor should the government, nor should the church, nor should the public, nor should you) if the person consciously made the decision to "be a homo/pedophile." He says put them to death if they have been convicted of their respective crimes. That means if a homo was convicted of homosexual actions, he or she should be put to death. That means if a pedophile was convicted of pedophilic actions, he or she should be put to death.
    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    So bring pedophilia charges against him.

    Can you?

    I noticed you didn't answer my question, but tried to distract from it:


    So you would be OK with pedophiles who didn't make the conscious choice to like children to live nextdoor to you and your family? How about if he or she was a homo?

    Would you, or would you not, like it if a pedophile moved in next door who claimed to be a pedophile only because he was "born that way" (or "I never made the conscious decision to be a pedophile)?

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    JOHN 8:1-The Woman Caught in Adultery

    1 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

    2 Early in the morning He went back into the temple courts. All the people came to Him, and He sat down to teach them.

    3 The scribes and Pharisees, however, brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before them

    4 and said, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such a woman. So what do You say?”

    6 They said this to test Him, in order to have a basis for accusing Him. But Jesus bent down and began to write on the ground with His finger.

    7 When they continued to question Him, He straightened up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her.”

    8 And again He bent down and wrote on the ground.

    9 When they heard this, they began to go away one by one, beginning with the older ones, until only Jesus was left, with the woman standing there.

    10 Then Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are your accusers? Has no one condemned you?”

    11“No one, Lord,” she answered.
    “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Now go and sin no more.”
    According to Mosaic Law (Leviticus 20:10), the "Woman taken in Adultery" who was brought before Jesus, by the scribes and Pharisees, should have been condemned to death by stoning!

    Unlike "JudgeRightly," Jesus showed compassion and demanded that "“Let him who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her.”

    Not wanting to be seen as hypocrites, the crowd dispersed and after receiving a word of personal counselling from Jesus, the woman was free to go!

    In the New Testament, Christ provides a graphic example for Christians as to how we should live our lives - a lesson that "JudgeRightly" and "aCultureWarrior" apparently have yet to apply in their own lives!

    If Jesus can show compassion for "The woman caught in adultery," He can also do the same for the other offences listed in Mosaic Law!
    Last edited by jgarden; September 24th, 2019 at 12:51 PM.

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