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    All the heroes of Faith are nothing but ordinary men willing to make a choice to surrender their lives to God .

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    Faith is continually surrendering your life to what the mind has agreed to , and the heart has responded to . It is an action !

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    The purpose of this thread is to show how a moment of believe and receive is not how we position ourselves to receive the Spirit of Christ .

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    1 Peter 1 : 6,7 Peter said , your going to have persecution , but the trial of your Faith will bring forth that which is more precious than Gold .

    What is the the trial of our Faith ?

    Faith applied is faithing , Faithing is "pisteuo" in the Greek , pisteuo is defined as "A personal surrender to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender ."

    So the trial of our faithing is a testing of our decision to surrender our life to Him . Is our surrender genuine ? Is our surrender supported by daily decisions that show God We really consider our lives to be His and not ours anymore .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    1 Peter 1 : 6,7 Peter said , your going to have persecution , but the trial of your Faith will bring forth that which is more precious than Gold .

    What is the the trial of our Faith ?
    When in and of Christ, the trial/test of one's faith will always be as His was, i.e, to protect the "Living Word" which was deposited in Him and now us, by the new birth from above, made vulnerable in our body of Adam's flesh. Hence, the need to love God with all our heart soul, mind and strength as Jesus did. Howver, unlike Jesus who was full of grace and truth, for the newborn from above, faith is by measure. It is a process by learning the ways of the Father as Jesus learned them.
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    When in and of Christ, the trial/test of one's faith will always be as His was, i.e, to protect the "Living Word" which was deposited in Him and now us, by the new birth from above, made vulnerable in our body of Adam's flesh. Hence, the need to love God with all our heart soul, mind and strength as Jesus did. Howver, unlike Jesus who was full of grace and truth, for the newborn from above, faith is by measure. It is a process by learning the ways of the Father as Jesus learned them.
    Jesus learned the ways of the Father ? You continue to make comments that make me wonder if your in this group to just cause trouble . How can Jesus be 100% God and !00% man at all times , all the time and not know the ways of Himself , or the Father since they are one in the same . There is something about yourself your not telling us CR .

    The first thing a called out one must accept going out the gate is to be a christian , one must accept the paradoxical truth , that the father , the Son , and the Holy Spirit are separate , and one in the same , at all times , all the time . This is the second time you've hinted that you don't accept that , is this true ?

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    [QUOTE=Faither;5171425]
    Jesus learned the ways of the Father ?
    Absolutely! You need understanding.
    He spent 30 yrs learning them that in the end His Father would say: "This is My beloved Son in Whom "I AM" well pleased"; "Hear ye Him".


    You continue to make comments that make me wonder if your in this group to just cause trouble . How can Jesus be 100% God and !00% man at all times , all the time and not know the ways of Himself , or the Father since they are one in the same . There is something about yourself your not telling us CR .
    Consider you haven't been paying attention. Your needle has been stuck in an 'untoward' groove.
    Jesus learned obedience: "For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings." Hebrews 2:10 (KJV)

    Said by Jesus before the cross. "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do." John 17:4 (KJV)

    "For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous." Romans 5:19 (ESV)

    "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience OF Christ;" 2 Corinthians 10:5 (KJV)

    And for the last the undeniable:

    "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Philippians 2:8-11 (KJV)

    The first thing a called out one must accept going out the gate is to be a christian , one must accept the paradoxical truth , that the father , the Son , and the Holy Spirit are separate , and one in the same , at all times , all the time . This is the second time you've hinted that you don't accept that , is this true ?
    Ditto my last.
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    Faith and faithing produce strife and warfare .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    Faith and faithing produce strife and warfare .
    and the beat goes on.
    Last edited by Cross Reference; January 14th, 2018 at 07:44 PM.
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    1 Peter 1:6,7 Peter says , your going to have persecution , but the trial of your Faith will bring fourth that which is more precious than Gold .

    What is the trial of our Faith ?

    This is when we first surrender our lives to God , it must be a genuine surrender , not perfect , genuine . Jesus , like in a courtroom makes that determination or the trial of our Faith . If it's genuine , we move closer to God "pisteuo". If it's not genuine , we move away from God faithing in reverse , "apisteuo".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    1 Peter 1:6,7 Peter says , your going to have persecution , but the trial of your Faith will bring fourth that which is more precious than Gold .

    What is the trial of our Faith ?

    This is when we first surrender our lives to God , it must be a genuine surrender , not perfect , genuine . Jesus , like in a courtroom makes that determination or the trial of our Faith . If it's genuine , we move closer to God "pisteuo". If it's not genuine , we move away from God faithing in reverse , "apisteuo".
    The trial of our faith is a test allowed by God purposed to reveal our allegiance to Him. You would understnad this if you ever read Luke 4:1-14 KJV.
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    If we lift up God by a continual life of Faithing , (surrendering ourselves to Him) He will lift us up .

    Nothing else will do .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    If we lift up God by a continual life of Faithing , (surrendering ourselves to Him) He will lift us up .

    Nothing else will do .
    Is that what Jesus did? Why do you "believe" He had to do a "faithing" or whatever it is you'r trying to say?
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    Is that what Jesus did? Why do you "believe" He had to do a "faithing" or whatever it is you'r trying to say?
    Really CR , i have to explain to you how Christ was the first goer of Faith , and we are to follow . He continually surrendered His life to the Father .

    I know a good teacher , you need one . Start with basic Christianity .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    Really CR , i have to explain to you how Christ was the first goer of Faith , and we are to follow . He continually surrendered His life to the Father .

    I know a good teacher , you need one . Start with basic Christianity .
    Your teacher was Gene Scott. No thanks.

    "It is written". I wonder what Jesus learned that kept Him that was "fact"? I really don't wonder what Jesus learned that His "faith by knowing and believing" kept Him. Where do you want to begin? Do you get my point yet? Perhaps my oft repeated verse John 17:3 will refresh your thinking: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17:3 (KJV)
    Last edited by Cross Reference; January 17th, 2018 at 05:39 AM.
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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