User Tag List

Page 20 of 21 FirstFirst ... 101718192021 LastLast
Results 286 to 300 of 309

Thread: Jesus, Paul and the Law

  1. #286
    Over 4000 post club
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,250
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 401 Times in 366 Posts

    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    6501
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Your very best is still sin. This is why "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17.
    Not doing it to save myself...saved already

    is why I am doing it...

  2. #287
    Silver Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts
    13,541
    Thanks
    168
    Thanked 1,606 Times in 1,318 Posts

    Mentioned
    36 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    350439
    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Not doing it to save myself...saved already

    is why I am doing it...

    Your preoccupation with the law and not the Gospel tells me something different.

  3. #288
    Over 4000 post club
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,250
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 401 Times in 366 Posts

    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    6501
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Your preoccupation with the law and not the Gospel tells me something different.
    Oh sorry thought this was the topic of the thread...was just being polite...

    You rather wanna talk about how you were before Christ came into your life and how your life is now?

  4. #289
    Silver Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts
    13,541
    Thanks
    168
    Thanked 1,606 Times in 1,318 Posts

    Mentioned
    36 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    350439
    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Oh sorry thought this was the topic of the thread...was just being polite...

    You rather wanna talk about how you were before Christ came into your life and how your life is now?

    You are under the misconception that the changed life is evidence of the Holy Spirit. I know of some cultist that can out shine you by a mile.

  5. #290
    Over 4000 post club
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,250
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 401 Times in 366 Posts

    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    6501
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    You are under the misconception that the changed life is evidence of the Holy Spirit. I know of some cultist that can out shine you by a mile.

    Oh sure many people change their ways...many people are good people...Buddhist love each other...Muslims love our god they claim...jews too...

    And yet they all display different fruit...not like His His Way...JUST AS...

    And you claim change was because you are IN HIM...but WWJD?

  6. #291
    Silver Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts
    13,541
    Thanks
    168
    Thanked 1,606 Times in 1,318 Posts

    Mentioned
    36 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    350439
    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Oh sure many people change their ways...many people are good people...Buddhist love each other...Muslims love our god they claim...jews too...

    And yet they all display different fruit...not like His His Way...JUST AS...

    And you claim change was because you are IN HIM...but WWJD?

    The Gospel and the Holy Spirit are close companions. Those that are led by the Spirit also believe and embrace the Gospel as their only means of salvation.

    The words "law" and "religion" basically mean the same thing. Those that are religious like to follow the law, which makes them religious. When Jesus abolished the law he also abolished the Jewish religion, which is a religion of law. The law has been replaced by the Holy Spirit. It is the work of the Holy Spirit to magnify Christ and his Gospel, John 15:26. You don't seem to think that is important.

  7. #292
    Over 4000 post club
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,250
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 401 Times in 366 Posts

    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    6501
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    The Gospel and the Holy Spirit are close companions. Those that are led by the Spirit also believe and embrace the Gospel as their only means of salvation.
    is why we wish to pick up our cross and follow Him and live His faith...

    The words "law" and "religion" basically mean the same thing. Those that are religious like to follow the law, which makes them religious. When Jesus abolished the law he also abolished the Jewish religion, which is a religion of law.
    I know where He is clear we are not to think that He came to abolish the Law...where do you have Him say “Ok heaven and earth passed away and Law is abolished”?

    The law has been replaced by the Holy Spirit.
    ok that is a little better...like a teacher replaces the textbook...certainly doesnt do away with its principles nor teach counter them...

    Like a park ranger guide replaces the trail map...again follows the map by heart certainly does not counter the map...

    It is the work of the Holy Spirit to magnify Christ and his Gospel, John 15:26. You don't seem to think that is important.
    of course it is important the Spirit magnify Him...for our edification and example to follow and obey...Spirit testifies He is our savior is WHY we wish to follow and obey...Him/His way...and the Spirit helps us to do just that...to follow the Law now written in our hearts and minds...

  8. #293
    Silver Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts
    13,541
    Thanks
    168
    Thanked 1,606 Times in 1,318 Posts

    Mentioned
    36 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    350439
    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    is why we wish to pick up our cross and follow Him and live His faith...

    I know where He is clear we are not to think that He came to abolish the Law...where do you have Him say “Ok heaven and earth passed away and Law is abolished”?

    ok that is a little better...like a teacher replaces the textbook...certainly doesnt do away with its principles nor teach counter them...

    Like a park ranger guide replaces the trail map...again follows the map by heart certainly does not counter the map...

    of course it is important the Spirit magnify Him...for our edification and example to follow and obey...Spirit testifies He is our savior is WHY we wish to follow and obey...Him/His way...and the Spirit helps us to do just that...to follow the Law now written in our hearts and minds...

    Do you believe that Jesus has justified you by his life, death and resurrection and that you now stand before God as complete in him?

  9. #294
    Over 4000 post club
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,250
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 401 Times in 366 Posts

    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    6501
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Do you believe that Jesus has justified you by his life, death and resurrection and that you now stand before God as complete in him?
    Yup...is why I want to obey Him follow Him like a little boy trying on his father’s shoes coat and tie...NEVER will I be able to be Him but He likes to see me try...helps me to...teaches me how...delighting in my obedience and desire to copy Him as much I can...my feeble attempts...and my attempts to advertise and testify for Him His way to others who Love Him and also ask WWJD?...

    Do this and live...created we were made in His image not just to look like but to be...and being reborn we actually are more like Him less like our former selves...

  10. #295
    Silver Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts
    13,541
    Thanks
    168
    Thanked 1,606 Times in 1,318 Posts

    Mentioned
    36 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    350439
    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Yup...is why I want to obey Him follow Him like a little boy trying on his father’s shoes coat and tie...NEVER will I be able to be Him but He likes to see me try...helps me to...teaches me how...delighting in my obedience and desire to copy Him as much I can...my feeble attempts...and my attempts to advertise and testify for Him His way to others who Love Him and also ask WWJD?...

    Do this and live...created we were made in His image not just to look like but to be...and being reborn we actually are more like Him less like our former selves...

    Your doctrine appears to be more about yourself than it is about Jesus. I, I, I, and me, me, me.

  11. #296
    Over 4000 post club
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,250
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 401 Times in 366 Posts

    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    6501
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Your doctrine appears to be more about yourself than it is about Jesus. I, I, I, and me, me, me.
    It happens when we confess our feebleness and shortcomings...we do tend to focus on ourselves...and then of course the joy of what happens to us when we receive salvation and begin the process of returning to what we were supposed to be...

    Sorry you can’t see that...but need to desperately lash out with attempted come backs or what not...

    The title of the thread would seem inviting to divulge that sort of personal story...make it about oneself as Paul was keen to do...and the power of His transforming love to knock him off a horse blind him and then do the good works prepared for him to do...

  12. #297
    Silver Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts
    13,541
    Thanks
    168
    Thanked 1,606 Times in 1,318 Posts

    Mentioned
    36 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    350439
    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    It happens when we confess our feebleness and shortcomings...we do tend to focus on ourselves...and then of course the joy of what happens to us when we receive salvation and begin the process of returning to what we were supposed to be...

    Sorry you can’t see that...but need to desperately lash out with attempted come backs or what not...

    The title of the thread would seem inviting to divulge that sort of personal story...make it about oneself as Paul was keen to do...and the power of His transforming love to knock him off a horse blind him and then do the good works prepared for him to do...
    Religion is man's preoccupation with his own spirituality.

    Christianity is a man's preoccupation with Jesus Christ.

  13. #298
    Over 4000 post club
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,250
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 401 Times in 366 Posts

    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    6501
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Religion is man's preoccupation with his own spirituality.

    Christianity is a man's preoccupation with Jesus Christ.
    Is Satan a Christian? He seems pretty preoccupied by Jesus Christ...

    Even the Son was not free to do His own but His Father’s Will...

    Your preoccupation does not include to be like Him, follow Him His Way...just believe even as Satan does...and only that

  14. #299
    Silver Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts
    13,541
    Thanks
    168
    Thanked 1,606 Times in 1,318 Posts

    Mentioned
    36 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    350439
    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Is Satan a Christian? He seems pretty preoccupied by Jesus Christ...

    Even the Son was not free to do His own but His Father’s Will...

    Your preoccupation does not include to be like Him, follow Him His Way...just believe even as Satan does...and only that

    Believing and having faith is not the same as trying to be like him. The Catholics are also trying to be like him. Trying to be like Jesus is the crux of religion.

  15. #300
    Over 4000 post club
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,250
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 401 Times in 366 Posts

    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    6501
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Believing and having faith is not the same as trying to be like him.
    yes satan is believing and having faith in Him but is not trying to be like Him...trying to replace Him counterfeit Him teach a new christ a new gospel...of lawlessness...no surprise there...

    The Catholics are also trying to be like him.
    speaking of Satan...funny you should bring them into this...catholics most certainly do NOT try to be like Him...but they do try to sanctify themselves through exercising sacraments devised by the church for the church...perhaps if they tried to be more like Him not so power/money hungry Luther would not have begun this “faith alone” which has caused so many to take it to extremes of “do what thou whilst”

    Trying to climb out of the sanctified by church works ditch poor Luther over compensated and ended up in the “sin boldly...believe more boldly” ditch

    Trying to be like Jesus is the crux of religion.
    not judaism...the irony...they never tried to be the messiah...certainly dont try to be like Jesus...and following Me isnt really an endorsement to “BE like Me” or even “become like Me”...so speaking loosely it more like Him His faith path less than what we were before...

    And once again not to earn salvation but because we are saved...

    We dont clean the house to earn it but because it is already ours...
    Last edited by clefty; January 12th, 2018 at 08:37 PM.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
About us
Since 1997 TheologyOnline (TOL) has been one of the most popular theology forums on the internet. On TOL we encourage spirited conversation about religion, politics, and just about everything else.

follow us