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    2Tim 2:2 . . And the things you have heard me say (in the presence of many witnesses) entrust to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others.

    Paul's instructions were given to Timothy "in the presence of many witnesses" indicating that his instructions were never intended to be privileged information for the eyes-only of an elite category of super saints. The things he taught were transferred publicly rather than deep inside a secret chamber whose access was restricted to a special clique.

    I also suspect that Paul sand-bagged Timothy. By instructing him in the hearing of witnesses, Timothy could never fall back on the tiresome old excuse of saying "I didn't know I was supposed to do that." Well, witnesses would certainly testify that he did know what he was supposed to do because they themselves heard Paul instruct him with their own ears.

    It's a wise church that fully understands a pastor's duties and responsibilities just in case a time comes when they need to hold his feet to the fire; especially a complacent pastor or one that's gotten mixed up in political activism and civil disobedience. If a church doesn't know what a pastor's sacred obligations are, then there's no way they can know whether or not they're getting their money's worth. In my opinion, an ignorant church is a private pond stocked with hatchery fish.

    Paul's directive in this matter was also a practical consideration as nobody resides forever on this earthen globe. Pastors die; that's just a fact of life. And they also get diseases like dementia, Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's. It's a wise pastor busy training his replacements so that all his knowledge and experience isn't lost to future church generations. Abraham was commended for this very thing.

    "For I have chosen Abraham, in order that he may command his children and his household after him to keep the way of Yhvh." (Gen 18:18-20)

    A good example of the result of neglecting to train reliable men in "all the things you have heard me say" is the church of Laodicea described in Rev 3:14-20.

    According to Col 2:1-2 and Col 4:13-16; the Laodicean Christians were at one time solid believers. But between the time of Paul's writing his letter to the Colossians, and John writing the 3rd chapter of Revelation, the congregation meeting in Nymphas' home somehow went dead. It was still Christian in name, yes; but it no longer followed Christ.

    The Laodicean church had all the trappings of a Christian church; except for one salient feature: the Christ of Christianity wasn't even a member let alone the captain of its industry. It was literally a christless Christian church. He's depicted outside the building banging on the door trying to get somebody's attention to let him in. Not a single member of that church was one of his believing followers, not one; no, not even the senior pastor.
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    2Tim 2:3-7 . . Endure hardship with us like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs-- he wants to please his commanding officer.

    Combat soldiers are focused. They have but one solitary goal, and that's to accomplish the mission assigned to them by their leaders. They don't abandon their posts to go off doing other stuff. Desertion and dereliction of duty are courts martial offenses.

    I truly believe that if Dr. Martin Luther King Jr had stayed in church and complied with the Bible's directives for ordained Christian ministers as per the epistles of Titus, 1&2 Timothy, and to some extent 1Peter instead of getting involved in political activism and civil disobedience, he could have served Christ another thirty-five years instead of getting himself assassinated when he was only 39 years old.

    Was Dr. King a martyr? Well, if he was, it certainly wasn't in a cause for Christ. No, it was for a worldly cause. Dr. King marginalized his pastoral responsibilities. He put duty to the color of his skin first, and duty to Christ second. That was a very bad move for an ordained Christian minister obligated to a congregation above all other interests.

    "He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ" (Eph 4:11-12)

    "Focus on reading the Scriptures to the church, encouraging the believers, and teaching them." (1Tim 4:13)

    "To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder, a witness of Christ's sufferings and one who also will share in the glory to be revealed:

    . . . Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers-- not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away." (1Pet 5:1-4)
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    Jesus' commandment (or Jesus' instruction or command) is, 'follow me' and 'let the dead bury their dead'

    Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
    22 But Jesus said unto him, 1.) Follow me; and 2.) let the dead bury their dead.


    Now to find out who were given, by God, to follow Jesus (these were just a chosen few) and what did Jesus tell them. These are in the Holy KJV N.T.

    . . . and avoid the things which Jesus gave to the dead, for them to bury each other. These are also in the Holy KJV N.T.

    One's salvation and deliverance is hinged on clearly and accurately separating these two sets of deliveries which are in the Holy KJV N.T. . . . and following the correct set. Forget Paul for now.
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    2Tim 2:8 . . Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, descendant of David, according to my gospel

    There are Bible-toting missionaries out there going door to door all over the world teaching that Jesus Christ's crucified dead body did not recover; it's still dead and his remains are squirreled away here on Earth somewhere in a condition and a location known only to God.

    That is NOT the kind of gospel that Christ wants to hear preached about himself.

    Others are adamantly opposed to any ideas that even so much as suggest that Jesus is David's biological progeny. That too is NOT the kind of gospel that Christ wants to hear preached about himself.
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    2Tim 2:14 . . Command them in God's name to stop quarrelling over trifles.

    In a Sean Connery movie titled "The Name Of The Rose" church dignitaries assembled a meeting of the minds to reach a resolution on a theological question which was: Did the Christ own the clothes that he wore or not?

    Well, needless to say, the discussion turned into bickering wherein nothing was resolved. Tempers flared, shouting ensued, feelings were hurt, and people were alienated over the issue-- a rather trifling issue; which is precisely what it means to fiddle while Rome burns down around you. Christians are often embroiled in arguments over things that in the grand scheme of things have almost zero importance while all around them are weightier issues needing attention.

    It's interesting that Paul didn't want Timothy's flock instructed to avoid quarrelling over trifles but to stop quarrelling. I can't help but wonder how many Christians think to seek absolution for the sin of quarrelling over trifles when they go to confession.
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    2Tim 2:15 . . Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Some folks construe rightly dividing the truth as instructions to keep the Old Testament completely separate from the New. But that's not even close to what Paul is instructing.

    Paul was a blue collar tradesman: he fabricated portable shelters for a living (Acts 18:3). The koiné Greek word for "rightly dividing" is orthotomeo (or-thot-om-eh'-o) which means: to make a straight cut-- as opposed to a crooked cut --or a cut that misses the line and yields a piece of material that's either too long, too short, or the wrong contour; thus resulting in a tent whose pieces won't join properly when it comes time to sew them together. The results? A distorted tent and a black mark for the craftsman.

    The intent is not one of severing the Bible in half and treating each as a separate book; but to be accurate in the whole's interpretations and applications so that it all fits together perfectly from first to last, like a well made armoire instead of a hastily constructed rabbit hutch.
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    2Tim 2:16 . . Avoid worldly, empty chatter; for it will lead to further impiety.

    What he's talking about there are bull sessions wherein people discussing the Bible haven't a clue what they're talking about; and their perpetual deliberations-- consisting of sophistry, conjecture, theory, and personal opinions --never get to the bottom of anything.

    Well, the Bible isn't meant to be learned by means of discussion; it's meant to be learned by instruction that's taught by someone enabled by God for that purpose. (Eph 4:11-14)

    "Are all teachers?" (1Cor 12:29)

    The answer to that is a great big NO.

    Some years ago I was invited to a home Bible study. Before considering his invitation; I asked the man if his group was led by a competent Bible teacher. He said "No; we don't have a teacher. The group teaches itself. In other words: we speak as the Spirit leads us to speak."

    They say iron sharpeneth iron. But that doesn't work when both irons are soft. That's why files are hardened and tempered. Well; that man's group lacked a file, so to speak; so I declined.
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    2Tim 2:19 . . Let everyone who names the name of The Lord abstain from wickedness.

    The wickedness he's talking about in this particular instance regards unskilled use of the Bible; and sophistry, conjecture, wild-eyed posits, theories, flimsy science, and lines of spiritual rhetoric that sound very convincing but are nevertheless quite spurious.
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    2Tim 2:22 . . Flee from youthful lusts, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on The Lord from a pure heart.

    Hippies pursued love and peace but failed because they could obtain neither except by means of promiscuity and mood-enhancing drugs like marijuana and LSD.

    A "pure" heart is one that's unadulterated; in other words: it's not an amalgam of good and bad; viz: it's a heart that's whole-heartedly devoted to pleasing God rather than half-hearted.

    Righteousness, Love, Peace, and Purity are all blessing-worthy attributes.

    "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness" (Matt 5:6"

    "Blessed are the compassionate" (Matt 5:7)

    "Blessed are the pure in heart" (Matt 5:8)

    "Blessed are the peaceable" (Matt 5:9)

    According to The Lord's testimony as an expert witness in all matters pertaining to the hereafter, people whose personalities fail to exemplify those four beatitudes will neither see God, nor obtain sympathy from God, nor obtain a place around the table in God's home.
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    2Tim 2:23 . . But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce debating.

    Not all speculation is forbidden; only the kind that's absurd and uneducated; i.e. way out in the Kuiper Belt, so to speak.

    I seriously doubt that 2Tim 2:23 is addressing one's IQ, but rather, the propensity of some to shoot from the lip without really knowing what they're talking about and/or having the slightest basis for their perspective.
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    2Tim 2:24a . . The Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome

    Sometimes it's best to follow Han Solo's advice and "let the Wookie win one". In other words; when one is wise; two are happy. Be the wise one and pick your fights carefully. Don't expend your energies on hot button topics; they'll just lead to anger, demeaning comments, and flaming remarks.

    Especially avoid getting into discussions with obtuse individuals driven by a rather annoying propensity to disagree with everything you say simply because they love to argue. I call them the "yes, but" people. Those kind refuse to believe that anybody really knows the truth; least of all you.
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    The commandments of Jesus Christ is the salvation of God.

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    2Tim 2:24b-26 . . The Lord's servant must . . be kind to all, apt to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them a change of heart leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the Devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.

    The all in "be kind to all" really should be taken to mean all in Christian congregations rather than all in the world. The reason being, according to Eph 4:11-16, Christ doesn't dispense his teachers for the world's benefit, rather, for his body's benefit.

    For that reason; Christ's teachers need to treat the people in church who oppose them as they would patients in a mental hospital who lack the faculties to know what they're doing and/or to think for themselves; hence the instructions to be kind, gentle, and patient.
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    John 13:34
    A new commandment I give unto you,
    That ye love one another; as I have loved you,
    that ye also love one another.

    The saved will love you as Jesus loved them.

    The condemned will not love you as Jesus loved them.

    A. True

    B. False

    C. None of the above

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    2Tim 3:12-15 . . Continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them; and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

    The "sacred writings" upon which Timothy cut his teeth are of course the Old Testament's collection; which Paul affirms is useful to Christians.

    Rom 15:4 . .Whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction that we, through patience and the encouragement of the scriptures, might have hope.

    NOTE: The Greek word for "hope" in that passage is elpis (el-pece') which means: to anticipate (usually with pleasure and confidence). In other words: elpis hope doesn't entail crossing your fingers and praying for the best while in the back of your mind dreading the worst. No; elpis hope entails having something to look forward to with the bold unreserved expectation of obtaining it.
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