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    To find out which laws are written on the heart of a New Testament, Christian believer, watch...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L8Guc_24fc

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    Acts 15:20a . . Abstain from food tainted by idols,

    Here's the text of a common Christian prayer.

    "Bless us, Oh Lord, and these thy gifts which we are about to receive from thy bounty through Christ, Our Lord. Amen."

    That prayer credits the providence of God and His son for the nourishment on the table. Well; in the old Roman world, they sometimes credited the providence of a pagan god for their nourishment. According to 1Cor 10:25-31; this is one of those don't ask situations.

    Acts 15:20b . . Abstain from promiscuity

    Promiscuity typically refers to things like adultery, incest, shacking up, one night stands, sleeping around, etc.

    Acts 15:20c . . Abstain from the meat of strangled animals.

    Strangulation is a slow, inhumane way to die. If you know that the meat you're being served came from an animal that was choked to death, consider it food fit only for barbarians. We want nothing to do with animal abuse.

    Acts 15:20d . . Abstain from blood

    In other words: Christ's followers are forbidden to use blood as a beverage.

    There are cultures that poke holes in cows' necks in order to drink blood straight out of the living animal utilizing its own blood pressure like a tap to fill their cups; a rather ghastly thirst that might be okay for Edward Cullen's family but certainly not for us

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    Rom 6:11 . . Count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

    "dead to sin" in this case doesn't mean Christ's sheep can't, won't, and/or don't sin (cf. 1John 1:8-10). It means that sin can no longer give God cause to slam them with the sum of all fears.

    Rom 5:12-21 explains, in so many words; that Christ's believing followers are accounted as having gone to the cross with him similar to accounting them as having tasted the forbidden fruit with Adam. This principle is at the very core of Christianity's plan of salvation so it's important to get it.

    In a nutshell: When Jesus went to the cross; he died for the sins of the world from first to last. That being the case, then when his believing followers went to the cross with him, they died for their sins from first to last. As a result: when the books are opened as per Rev 20:11-15, there will be nothing on record with which to charge them.

    FYI: Rom 6:11 is an order, and Christ's believing followers are expected to obey it.

    Rom 6:12-13 . . Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness.

    If I'm understanding John 5:24-25 correctly; Jesus spoke of a non-physical resurrection that his believing followers undergo in this life-- now --before they pass on.

    It's a pretty good resurrection too because it doesn't rejuvenate ordinary life, rather; it's a step up to eternal life-- a superior kind of life that brings with it not only immortality, but also a change from human nature to divine nature. (2Pet 1:4)

    Anyway, the point is: Christ's non-physically resurrected followers really should make an effort to walk as insiders who live in heaven rather than outsiders on their way to the other place. Political theorists like Niccolò Machiavelli would not recommend Christ's way of life of course because in this world, situation ethics are better; viz: the end justifies the means so long as the end, no matter how obtained, benefits the so-called greater good.

    Well; to my knowledge, Machiavellian thinking doesn't fly in heaven so it's best for those "brought from death to life" to avoid it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iouae View Post
    To find out which laws are written on the heart of a New Testament, Christian believer, watch...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L8Guc_24fc
    Yes, that's one of the basic principles.


    But I did not watch the youtube.

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    Rom 12:1 . . Present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

    Sacrifices are basically things dedicated to God; i.e. set aside for God's purposes and/or utilized in such a way as to make God feel special instead of disgusted and/or disappointed.

    A "living" sacrifice is sort of like a gift that keeps on giving in comparison to a gift that's only useful for a moment.

    I would say that Rom 12:1 is a flashback to Rom 6:12-13 where it's stated: Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness.

    Well; our bodies consist of more than just what's below the neck; they also consist of the flabby stuff inside our boney little skulls too.

    Rom 12:2 . . And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

    Christianity, when taken seriously, can't help but radically change the way, the what, and the how we think about things in this life and in the next.

    Personal Bible reading is a good place to begin with Rom 12:2; however, the will of God isn't meant to be self-taught; it's meant to be instructed by teachers empowered by God for that specific purpose. (Rom 12:4-8, 1Cor 12:1-30)

    "Are all teachers?" (1Cor 12:29)

    No, not all are teachers; which of course precludes self-teaching. Only some are teachers and the rest of Christ's believing followers are supposed to be students.

    "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: till we all come in the unity of the faith" (Eph 4:11-13)

    According to that passage, the goal of gifted teaching is unity. Well, when Christians come together with differing perspectives-- debating and engaging in perpetual bull sessions that never get to the bottom of anything --we're in danger of becoming divided and taking sides as intolerant bigots instead of unified. Like it's said: Too many cooks spoil the soup.

    Sermons and Sunday school classes are Christianity's traditional sources of teaching. But there's radio programs too, e.g. Thru The Bible with Dr. J.Vernon McGee. These days with radio, television, and the internet; gifted teaching is wide-spread and readily available.

    In centuries gone past, it was necessary to go where the teachers were in order to hear them speak. Nowadays, they come to speak right where we are by means of electronic gadgetry.

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    Rom 12:3 . . I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

    "soberly" is from the Greek word sophroneo (so-fron-eh'-o) which means to be of sound mind, i.e. sane.

    A popular saying going around is this: "You can be anything". No, you can't be anything, and it's unreasonable to think otherwise. Know your limits and stay within them; don't be setting impossible goals for yourself; especially in matters of faith and practice.

    "Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.

    . . .We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man's gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith. If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach; if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully." (Rom 12:4-8)

    Some church managers have a really bad habit of recruiting people to teach Sunday school who don't have a gift for it in accordance with Rom 12:3-8, 1Cor 12:1-30, and Eph 4:7-12. Well; if teaching is not your spiritual specialty; then the sensible thing to do is turn them down. Stay within your limits like Rom 12:3 says, and don't let those managers pressure you into submission by making you feel guilty for refusing. Nobody gains points with Christ by going off-reservation.

    Rom 12:6 . . If God has given you the ability to prophesy, speak out when you have faith that God is speaking through you.

    The koiné Greek word for "prophesy" in that verse is from propheteia (prof ay-ti'-ah) which encompasses predictions. Predictors were common in the early church; for example Agabus' predictions at Acts 11:27-28 and Acts 21:10-11.

    Hunches don't count as God speaking through you. You have to really know it. Don't ask me how to really know it because I don't have the gift.

    Rom 12:7a . . If your gift is that of serving others, serve them well.

    "serving well" implies serving conscientiously and whole-heartedly rather than half-baked and/or hit and miss.

    One of my brothers has been a construction foreman for decades and one of his perpetual complaints is that he never knows from one day to the next whether some of the men he hires on jobs will show up. In other words: they aren't reliable-- he can't count on them. What I'm saying is: if you're thinking about becoming helpful in some way, don't do it unless you're willing to commit to the long haul because people need to know that they can depend on you to stay the course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iouae View Post
    I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why you listen to Apostles and not to Christ.
    That's the case with many, many churches.

    right on, brother.

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    Rom 12:7b . . If you are a teacher, do a good job of teaching.

    I had a Sunday school teacher once who worked as a maintenance man in a public swimming facility. One Saturday he had to work very late repairing some equipment at the pool and had no time to prepare his lesson plan for Sunday morning so he just threw something together. It stunk; and my wife and I got nothing out of it.

    In contrast, I once knew a pastor who took all week long to prepare his Sunday morning sermons; rather than just Saturday night. Now there was a guy who knew what it means to "do a good job of teaching".

    Rom 12:8a . . If your gift is to encourage others, then do so.

    You know who really benefits from encouragement in a big way? Little kids. Thoughtless grown-ups can break a growing child's fragile spirit by criticizing them all the time and never once giving them an "atta boy" or a single vote of confidence. A fitting word spoken at just the right moment can really beef up somebody's resolve to meet life head on. If you're good at that sort of thing, then watch for opportunities among your fellow Christians to do so.

    NOTE: The kind of encouragement about which that passage speaks is just as much, and just as valuable, as any of the other spiritual gifts, e.g. speaking in tongues, translating tongues, miracles, teaching, healing, faith, evangelism, and prophecy etc.

    Rom 12:8b . . If you have money, share it generously.

    There are some people barely making ends meet who nevertheless make an effort to include charities in their budgets, while others loaded with dough are misers in that they only give what they have to and nothing more. The "extra mile" is foreign to their concept of what it means to be generous.

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    The messiah whose true name is Yehowshuwa said the greatest commandment is to love his father Yehowah with all your heart mind and soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth- View Post
    The messiah whose true name is Yehowshuwa said the greatest commandment is to love his father Yehowah with all your heart mind and soul.

    yes.

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    There are two commands. The law of the Spirit is indeed held up through adherence of those two commands which really are one and the same. Others have alluded to it; Love GOD.

    To love is to be faithful to. If one loves GOD then they love to do the will of GOD in silence. If one loves the One Creator and Lord and GOD over all, then they will, as a nessesity, also love creation; again; silently doing the will of GOD in their own life which does include outward works, by which we are to be judged by man here and now.


    peace

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    Rom 12:8c . . If God has given you leadership ability, take the responsibility seriously.

    A natural aptitude for church management doesn't count. It has to be God-given; i.e. a legitimate Spirit-endowed ability (cf. Rom 12:3-8, 1Cor 12:4-11, 1Cor 12:27-30). There are far too many people sitting on church boards merely because they're a success in business. Well; if your church is a business; then maybe you should think about finding another one.

    Rom 12:8d . . If you have a gift for showing kindness to others, do it gladly.

    That would probably correspond to incidents like the one depicted in the parable of the man attacked by road agents in Luke 10:30-36. In that instance, a passerby had the skills and the wherewithal to provide care for a total stranger in need. Personally, I'm not much at first aid and/or emergency medical services. But what we're getting at here is that should you find yourself in circumstances where you can be of genuine, effective assistance; don't lend a hand grudging. It ought to make Christians happy to be of assistance instead of getting irritated and grumpy about an unexpected inconvenience.

    A solo Pacific Crest Trail hiker named Cheryl Strayed, in her book WILD, recounts an evening wherein she was very low on funds and having no luck locating a suitable place in the woods to set up her tent before it got really dark. Cheryl found her way into a fee campground and set up at the extreme end of the facility where she thought no one would mind; but later that night the caretakers came by and, in a not-so-friendly tone, insisted that she either pay the $12 fee or break camp and leave. The Christian thing to do would have been to pay the fee for her instead of forcing a woman to wander out into the pitch black forest all alone at night.

    NOTE: Knowing Cheryl from her book, I've no doubt she would have gladly given the caretakers an I.O.U. and paid them back.

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    Rom 12:9a . . Don't just pretend that you love others.

    Webster's defines "pretense" as fiction, make-believe, and/or simulation. Ironically, pretense is foundational to ordinary civility and common courtesy. But when it comes to love; Christians should never put on a front. In other words: don't lead someone on to believe you care for them when in reality you don't. That's not only dishonest; it's cruel.

    I once asked a rather incompetent Sunday school teacher, in so many words, whether feelings play a role in Christianity. He said that feelings are emotions and therefore insignificant. Well; I have to disagree.

    Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies" (Col 3:12)

    The koiné Greek word for "bowels" in that passage is splagchnon (splangkh'-non) which basically refers to one's intestines; i.e. the tummy; which says to me that bowels of mercies are emotions rather than just good manners.

    In other words: real love isn't a non emotional academic concept; it contains things like pity, sympathy, empathy, compassion, thoughtfulness, and sensitivity. Real love is easily mimicked, but not all that easy to feel; especially by people who, by nature, are more monster than human.

    Rom 12:9b . . Hate what is evil.

    Hating evil is second nature to God-fearing people; or at least it should be.

    "You who love Yhvh: hate evil." (Ps 97:10)

    "In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil." (Job 1:1)

    "The fear of The Lord is to hate evil. Pride and arrogance and the evil way, and the perverted mouth, I hate." (Prv 8:13)

    I think it's fair to say that when somebody hates the same things that God hates, and loves the same things that God loves; the two of them have the makings of a rapport: defined by Webster's as a friendly, harmonious relationship-- especially a relationship characterized by agreement, mutual understanding, or empathy that makes communication possible or easy.

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    Rom 12:9c . . Stand on the side of the good.

    Christian CEOs on the boards of multi-national corporations have my sympathy. Good luck complying with the above.

    I recently watched a very interesting documentary on NetFlix that analyzed corporations; and they found that corporations, as a personality, typically exhibit all five of the psychopathic behaviors listed below.

    • Callous unconcern for the feelings of others.

    • Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships.

    • Reckless disregard for the safety of others.

    • Deceit and dissembling; viz: repeated lying, suppressing information, stretching the truth, and conning others for profit.

    • Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors.

    One of corporate America's more shameful management practices is the exploitation of foreign poverty, cheap labor, defenseless employees, minimal safety requirements, and hardly any environmental regulations in order to keep costs down and the bottom lines of quarterly reports up. It's all about profits with corporations; while the human suffering exploited to obtain them is collateral damage, so to speak; and nowhere has that been more prevalent than the manufacture of textiles and garments.

    Rom 12:10a . . Love each other with genuine affection

    Real affection is easy to imitate, but not so easy to duplicate. Going through the motions, is just not the same as feeling the feelings.

    There are people in this world who are affection-challenged. They can't even feel anything for their own children, let alone other people. For them, parenting is a nightmare rather than a dream come true. Their children are a burden rather than a blessing. Children ruin those parents' lives instead of brightening them up and making their lives more worth the living.

    When affection-challenged people decide to follow Christ, they're up against it because Christianity is a faith that works by love rather than by law.

    Though someone were to comply with every rule that I've posted on this thread thus far and yet be affection-challenged, they're as Paul described in his first epistle to the Corinthians as resounding gongs and clanging cymbals. Those are percussion instruments; they don't carry a tune or a melody; they just make noise.

    However, affection-challenged people aren't entirely hopeless because Christianity isn't a do-it-yourself religion; it's a supernatural religion.

    "If the spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His spirit, who lives in you." (Rom 8:11)

    Some might argue that verse is talking about the future. Well; their argument is okay as far as it goes, but doesn't go far enough. It's futile to resurrect a mortal body because it would be still be mortal; i.e. vulnerable to disease, aging, and death. No, the "life" that Rom 8:11 is talking about is a benefit package defined as the fruit of the Spirit; spoken of in Gal 5:19-25. One of the benefits in that package is love.

    A heads up to affection-challenged people: The fruit of the Spirit comes with some negative side effects. Though its love will make you a better human being, it will also make you pretty miserable at times too because love gets into your heart and makes you sensitive, compassionate, and empathetic. If you've never felt those kinds of feelings before, then they would be overwhelming were they to come upon you in full power. Fortunately the fruit of the Spirit doesn't come on people all at once; instead, love sort of grows on people a little at a time; sort of like gradually bringing a frog up to the boiling point by starting him out in cold water.

    Of course the process is lethal to the frog; but I'm only using the doomed amphibian as an analogy rather than a reality. The fruit of the Spirit is life rather than death. So the fruit gradually brings people up from a cold dead heart to a warm living heart.

    Rom 12:10b . . Honor others over yourselves.

    Most alpha achievers would have trouble with that one. I mean; why be a winner if not to feel superior to everyone else and accumulate bragging rights and accolades? The alpha achiever's motto is: It's not enough to succeed: everyone else must fail.

    Feelings of value are important to everyone's sense of well being, but the alpha achiever feels only himself to be of any real value; in his mind's eye, those "below" him are of little worth, i.e. expendable and/or a dime a dozen. (cf. Est 6:6, Matt 27:26, Mark 12:38 39, and 3John9)

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    Rom 12:11 . . Never be halfhearted in your work, but serve The Lord enthusiastically.

    Webster's defines 'halfhearted" as feeling or showing a lack of interest. The koinë Greek word for "work" is spoude (spoo-day') which refers to movement in regards to speed; i.e. velocity. In other words; that verse is talking about dragging one's feet rather than shaking a leg; i.e. getting with the program and expediting whatever it is you're assigned to do.

    A really good role model in this regard is Isaac's wife Rebecca; a most energetic chore girl. (Gen 24:10-20)

    Rom 12:12a . . Be glad for all God is planning for you.

    Christians unsure of their afterlife destination cannot, in all honesty and a good conscience, comply with that command,

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