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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    What does John 14:21 mean?
    It means your motivation for doing good works under the new covenant is love for Jesus, rather than a desire to save yourself (which you couldn't do anyway).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahelmang View Post
    It means your motivation for doing good works under the new covenant is love for Jesus, rather than a desire to save yourself (which you couldn't do anyway).

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    Can you explain what you are saying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    What does John 14:21 mean?
    (Sarcasm) It means if you keep the commandments and obey and NEVER sin in your life, EVER, that Jesus will appear in your bedroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    (Sarcasm) It means if you keep the commandments and obey and NEVER sin in your life, EVER, that Jesus will appear in your bedroom.
    I do not know why you say this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahelmang View Post
    It means your motivation for doing good works under the new covenant is love for Jesus, rather than a desire to save yourself (which you couldn't do anyway).

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    It is necessary to love Jesus. If you don't love Him there is no salvation.

    Jesus also says if you love Him, keep His commandments.

    So keeping His commandments is necessary for salvation.

    it is that simple, friend.
    If you want to be true to God and Jesus, abandon any kind of violence at all cost. By advocating any kind of violence, you are misrepresenting Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Can you explain what you are saying?
    It is better to obey your parents out of love or respect than fear, right? A sign of spiritual maturity is that you obey God's commands because you love Him, instead of fear of the consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    It is necessary to love Jesus. If you don't love Him there is no salvation.

    Jesus also says if you love Him, keep His commandments.

    So keeping His commandments is necessary for salvation.

    it is that simple, friend.
    he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
    Titus 3:5 NIV
    You can't earn your salvation through works. The works come after salvation, in gratitude, as worship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahelmang View Post
    It is better to obey your parents out of love or respect than fear, right? A sign of spiritual maturity is that you obey God's commands because you love Him, instead of fear of the consequences.

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    I love God and Jesus. I want to obey God's Commandments and Jesus' Commandments. I obey God because I love Him. What do you mean by fear and fear of the consequences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I love God and Jesus. I want to obey God's Commandments and Jesus' Commandments. I obey God because I love Him. What do you mean by fear and fear of the consequences?
    You are doing what the verse says! Young Christians might obey because they think bad things will happen if they aren't good, or because their communities pressure them into it. Sometimes we need that to get started, but in the long run it isn't healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahelmang View Post
    You are doing what the verse says! Young Christians might obey because they think bad things will happen if they aren't good, or because their communities pressure them into it. Sometimes we need that to get started, but in the long run it isn't healthy.

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    I am a proselyte and a convert to Israel and Judaism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I love God and Jesus. I want to obey God's Commandments and Jesus' Commandments. I obey God because I love Him. What do you mean by fear and fear of the consequences?
    he means fear of going to hell
    So, what?

    believe it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I am a proselyte and a convert to Israel and Judaism.
    And you say you love Jesus? Interesting, please tell me more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktoyou View Post
    he means fear of going to hell
    I do not know that. I do not know about hell. I have no fear of going there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahelmang View Post
    And you say you love Jesus? Interesting, please tell me more

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    Jesus instructed to keep and teach the Commandments and I saw no obstacle to doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahelmang View Post
    he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
    Titus 3:5 NIV
    You can't earn your salvation through works. The works come after salvation, in gratitude, as worship.

    Sent from my LGMS210 using Tapatalk
    This is typical; most churches cliché.

    It is talking about our former sins. You have to continually being faithful to Jesus until the end to be saved..

    That is what Jesus says in the revelation.
    If you want to be true to God and Jesus, abandon any kind of violence at all cost. By advocating any kind of violence, you are misrepresenting Christianity.

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