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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    It is about spoken prophecies found in the scriptures, prophecies that came in old time.

    As much as you wish it were true, it is not a comment on the written New Testament. You are really grasping at straws.
    Cool....just keep tossing out the context and hope no one notices. Fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    This is what I'm talking about...."This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount".
    Yeah, I know what you were saying, I was just stating some of the deeper implications of what the author is saying in that passage by the full context which you quoted. Essentially, he is saying that what happened at the transfiguration event, (topic of the thread), is in the holy Prophets, and that his interpretation cannot be overruled by modern day "Dispies", "separate Age of Gracers", "70AD Prets", or anyone else, (because theirs would be a private interpretation which does not understand the supernal and spiritual nature of what is written in the Prophets). But I suppose since it is not the thrust of the topic I will let it go so as not to distract from the current subject matter, (just wanted to note that point since it really is part of the overall discussion though not the main point of this thread).

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Bringing something to one's remembrance is NOT the same as permission to write everything down.

    The Holy Spirit inspired the writing of the Bible. That does not mean each man was to write everything they knew, but only what they were inspired to commit to paper.
    I'm not so sure it's all that cut and dried.


    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...+7&version=KJV

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Cool....just keep tossing out the context and hope no one notices. Fool.
    Didn’t happen. You just pretended the text says things it doesn’t.

    The text is clearly about prophecies spoken by prophets of old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Mind1Spirit View Post
    I'm not so sure it's all that cut and dried.


    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...+7&version=KJV
    Rest assured....the Holy Spirit allowed Paul to state his opinion on the matter. But your point is taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    Didnít happen. You just pretended the text says things it doesnít.

    The text is clearly about prophecies spoken by prophets of old.
    It's very specifically compared to the conversation on the Mount.

    Your problem is that you don't believe the word of God has depth and breadth...you read it on a very superficial level, as all natural men of the flesh do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    It's very specifically compared to the conversation on the Mount.

    Your problem is that you don't believe the word of God has depth and breadth...you read it on a very superficial level, as all natural men of the flesh do.
    Oh, I know the Word of God has depth and breadth and more.

    Your error is that you have decided Bible = Word of God. That is not a teaching of scripture; it is a tradition that you have adopted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    We will have to agree to disagree on that.

    I saw nothing from AMR that passes as an explanation on this topic.

    Perhaps you could summarize why you think it is without relevance.
    Jesus was both beloved and chosen. Problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Jesus was both beloved and chosen. Problem solved.
    Yes, He was both beloved and solved.

    That was never the problem.

    The problem was in specifying what was said from the cloud.

    Do you have an opinion on the real problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Rest assured....the Holy Spirit allowed Paul to state his opinion on the matter. But your point is taken.
    Interesting change.

    Earlier you declared the Holy Spirit told the New Testament writers what to write. Now they are allowed to write their own opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    Interesting change.

    Earlier you declared the Holy Spirit told the New Testament writers what to write. Now they are allowed to write their own opinions.
    Clearly, the Spirit is capable of giving His seal of approval on what Paul deigned to write. Is that a problem for you? Don't you think God is capable of such a thing? Maybe you want to limit God according to your own human reasoning. We see many places in the word where what man wanted to say was allowed to be said. Paul just recorded it in his letter. Very enlightening for anyone that trusts God's word to be exactly how He intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    Oh, I know the Word of God has depth and breadth and more.

    Your error is that you have decided Bible = Word of God. That is not a teaching of scripture; it is a tradition that you have adopted.
    That is taught in Scripture. You just refuse to accept it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    Yes, He was both beloved and solved.

    That was never the problem.

    The problem was in specifying what was said from the cloud.

    Do you have an opinion on the real problem?
    The problem is your translation, since the same original language word is used in matthew and luke, both should say the same thing

    "Around the country, progressive bullies have attacked Christians for daring to put their faith ahead of the pet causes of those who feign compassion while destroying life-giving liberties. What we are seeing is a scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners approach as the wildfire burns across our land. It is not enough that Christians be quiet. Christians must be silenced and punished. Their faith cannot be respected. Legislation that ensures people are free to live and work according to their faith without fear of being punished by government must be stopped and decried as discrimination...There is one key reason that those on the Left must force their beliefs on the rest of us: if they didn't force their craziness on us, we would never embrace it." ~Erick Erickson
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Clearly, the Spirit is capable of giving His seal of approval on what Paul deigned to write. Is that a problem for you? Don't you think God is capable of such a thing? Maybe you want to limit God according to your own human reasoning. We see many places in the word where what man wanted to say was allowed to be said. Paul just recorded it in his letter. Very enlightening for anyone that trusts God's word to be exactly how He intended.
    Same old error, pretending that a person observes that God did not do something means the person believes that God is incapable of doing that.

    God did not stop 9/11; that does not mean He is incapable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    The problem is your translation, since the same original language word is used in matthew and luke, both should say the same thing
    Not in the best manuscripts, only in later revisions.

    But that is not the question. The question you are afraid to answer is: what did the voice from the cloud say?

    You only give two options. It appears you don’t know which one is right.

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