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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    Not just creationists arguing over this particular. I hadn't realized, for instance, that biological methane is responsible for the majority of methane on the planet. I don't think we should be destroying forests though.
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    Still no response from the denier-in-chief.

    It's almost like he's afraid.

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    The Myth of Global Cooling:
    Articles in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten (translation available here) and in the Irish Times both ran headlines claiming that another grand solar minimum could potentially trigger an "ice age" or "mini ice age" this century. These articles actually refer to the Little Ice Age (LIA) – a period about 500 to 150 years ago when global surface temperatures were about 1C colder than they are today.

    Thus a grand solar minimum would have to cause about 1C cooling, plus it would have to offset the continued human-caused global warming between 1 and 5C by 2100, depending on how our greenhouse gas emissions change over the next century.
    Fortunately, Solar Output is Stable

    We're fortunate that the amount of solar radiation reaching the Earth's surface is very stable. Climate contrarians will often ask if we'd prefer if the planet were warming or cooling, suggesting that global warming is a good thing because at least the planet isn't getting colder. This is a false dichotomy - an ideal climate is a stable one. The relatively stable climate over the past 10,000 years has allowed establishment of human civilization, by making it possible to create large stationary agricultural farms because we could rely on stable weather patterns.

    What difference would a grand solar minimum make in the amount of solar energy reaching us? Relative to current levels, the Dalton Minimum represents a 0.08% decrease, and the Maunder Minimum represents a 0.25% decline in solar radiation at the Earth's surface. That's how stable solar activity is. That's also why we're playing with fire by increasing the greenhouse effect so much and so quickly. We're threatening the stability of the climate that has been so favorable to our development.



    A new grand solar minimum would not trigger another LIA; in fact, the maximum 0.3C cooling would barely make a dent in the human-caused global warming over the next century, likely between 1 and 5C, depending on how much we manage to reduce our fossil fuel consumption and greenhouse gas emissions. While this is equivalent to about a decade's worth of human-caused warming, it's also important to bear in mind that any solar cooling would only be temporary, until the end of the solar minimum.

    https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=448

    This is why, even as we have been in a solar minimum since 2014, we're seeing record high temperatures for the Earth.
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    One, two, or three, Loser?
    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
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    (Stipe demonstrates his ability to count)

    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    One, two, or three
    Very good, Stipe. Now, do you think you could explain to us why anthropogenic warming has completely reversed the cooling effects of a solar minimum?
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    Blablabarian demonstrates his complete inability to answer a simple question.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    You accuse me of being a "denier," so here it is:

    The climate is changing.
    The actions of men are the reason.
    The effects have been and will be catastrophic.

    Which of those three statements do you disagree with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    You accuse me of being a "denier," so here it is:
    (Barbarian gives Stipe yet another chance to answer the question:
    Very good, Stipe. Now, do you think you could explain to us why anthropogenic warming has completely reversed the cooling effects of a solar minimum?

    (Stipe dodges again, but asking questions already answered)

    The climate is changing.
    Yep. Last few years have each been the top five all time, and three of them were record highs.

    The actions of men are the reason.
    Yep. CO2because of the huge amount we're dumping into the atmosphere, and because it absorbs infrared at frequencies other greenhouse gases don't, is a particularly major cause.

    The effects have been and will be catastrophic.
    People living along the Gulf coast think so. The increasing severity of storms and the accompanying damage and increase in insurance rates say so.

    The elevated temperatures and drying of the Sahel, leading to wars and insurrections as people try to find a way to live there indicates so.

    But the worst is yet to come. We haven't seen the continental glaciers start to melt until very recently. The huge loss of ice in the Arctic Ocean won't raise sea levels. Do you understand why, Stipe? Tell us why.

    Now, since I've told you a second time, time for you to man up and answer my question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    (Barbarian gives Stipe yet another chance to answer the question:
    Very good, Stipe. Now, do you think you could explain to us why anthropogenic warming has completely reversed the cooling effects of a solar minimum?

    (Stipe dodges again, but asking questions already answered)



    Yep. Last few years have each been the top five all time, and three of them were record highs.



    Yep. CO2because of the huge amount we're dumping into the atmosphere, and because it absorbs infrared at frequencies other greenhouse gases don't, is a particularly major cause.



    People living along the Gulf coast think so. The increasing severity of storms and the accompanying damage and increase in insurance rates say so.

    The elevated temperatures and drying of the Sahel, leading to wars and insurrections as people try to find a way to live there indicates so.

    But the worst is yet to come. We haven't seen the continental glaciers start to melt until very recently. The huge loss of ice in the Arctic Ocean won't raise sea levels. Do you understand why, Stipe? Tell us why.

    Now, since I've told you a second time, time for you to man up and answer my question.
    So, which is it, Blablabee?
    One, two or three?

    From the looks of it, you're trying to agree with me without making it obvious.
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    No one really expected you to answer the question, Stipe. Your reputation pretty well leads everyone to count on it.
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    No one really expected you to answer the question, Stipe. Your reputation pretty well leads everyone to count on it.


    When you accuse people of being "deniers" and refuse to specify exactly what you disagree with, it shows that your only goal is to be a troll.

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    Barbarian chuckles:
    No one really expected you to answer the question, Stipe. Your reputation pretty well leads everyone to count on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    When you accuse people of being "deniers" and refuse to specify exactly what you disagree with, it shows that your only goal is to be a troll.
    We all know you're not going to answer the question, Stipe. I'm just offering you a chance to come clean to make it clear to everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Barbarian chuckles:
    No one really expected you to answer the question, Stipe. Your reputation pretty well leads everyone to count on it.



    We all know you're not going to answer the question, Stipe. I'm just offering you a chance to come clean to make it clear to everyone.
    You can tell when Blabarian is angry.
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    Since Stipe is dodging the question, does any other denier think he'd like to try to answer it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Since Stipe is dodging the question, does any other denier think he'd like to try to answer it?
    One, two or three, Paddle Pop.

    Justify your "denier" accusation.

    We know why you won't.
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    So, if we're into a solar minimum, why isn't it cooling off?

    So what about global climate change? If solar activity is falling, and that has a cooling influence over the UK and Europe, isn’t that a good thing?

    Unfortunately not. The overwhelming consensus among the world’s climate scientists is that the influence of solar variability on the climate is dwarfed by the impact of increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Most calculations suggest that a new “grand solar minimum” in activity would have a cooling effect that would temporarily offset just a few year’s worth of the warming due to the emission of carbon dioxide by humans.

    https://theconversation.com/no-we-ar...-ice-age-44677

    The lowered sunspot cycle is helping, but it's overwhelmed by the amount of carbon dioxide we're dumping into the atmosphere.
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