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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Use the whole counsel of God.

    What does a reasonable person who trusts God's written Word think?

    I already told you what I believe.
    If you are willing to claim that you have explained the differences, then there is no point in going further and we both know the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    Is your fear that the whole Bible will be in question if there is one error the reason that you will not recognize that the gospels differ on these quotes of Jesus?

    If so, then your tradition of man, the doctrine of inerrancy, is causing you to deny what the Bible says.

    This is why Dr. Wallace warned against making inerrancy a prime doctrine.
    Notice that you will not address what I ask and say.

    Tell me why you exalted that man for his education when many scriptures say not to.

    Tell me why you would think God would say no staff at all when the other scriptures say to take one and not to take two?

    Tell me why you would rather have people read the Bible and say they wonder now which is right and which scripture is error?

    Tell me why you didn't address the fact that you have shown NOTHING that makes a false doctrine.

    ANSWER THAT ONE. Is there a false doctrine about not taking a staff? Is there a doctrine that says don't read all the scriptures we have?
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    If you are willing to claim that you have explained the differences, then there is no point in going further and we both know the truth.
    No, you are a dishonest person. Stop accusing me of being dishonest. You are what you judged me to be.

    The scripture SAYS to take a staff and not to take two.

    Read all of the scriptures and use the whole counsel of God.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    If you are willing to claim that you have explained the differences, then there is no point in going further and we both know the truth.
    Just read how evil you sound "...and we both know the truth."

    I am in no way deceitful and am in no way like you.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Just read how evil you sound "...and we both know the truth."

    I am in no way deceitful and am in no way like you.
    You claimed “take no staff” actually said “don’t take two staffs.”

    Don’t we both know that is a false statement?

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    You wrote:
    The scripture SAYS to take a staff and not to take two.


    Luke 9:3 He said to them, "Take nothing for your journey, no staff, nor bag, nor bread, nor money—not even an extra tunic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    You wrote:
    The scripture SAYS to take a staff and not to take two.


    Luke 9:3 He said to them, "Take nothing for your journey, no staff, nor bag, nor bread, nor money—not even an extra tunic.
    Read the other scriptures too, the whole counsel.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    You claimed “take no staff” actually said “don’t take two staffs.”

    Don’t we both know that is a false statement?
    The scripture was speaking of not taking two of anything.

    It is about not taking a bag to be stolen from.

    It is about letting the people you preach to give you what you need.

    It is about Jesus taking care of you.

    You don't know that you are false in the heart.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Read the other scriptures too, the whole counsel.
    As I wrote, if you are going to claim “Take no staff” really says “don’t take an extra staff,” then having an honest conversation with you is impossible.

    Thank you for the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    As I wrote, if you are going to claim “Take no staff” really says “don’t take an extra staff,” then having an honest conversation with you is impossible.

    Thank you for the discussion.
    Good bye false accuser judge condemner.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    If you get to the point that you can admit that “take no staff” means “take no staff,” rather than “don’t take two staffs,” let me know and we can do continue the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    I don't have any man made traditions.


    You declare the scriptures are inerrant. That is a man-made tradition. It is not an internal claim of the Bible.

    Do you accept a 66-book canon or the 80-book canon of the 1611 KJV? Those are both man-made traditions.
    I know you directed this at God'sTruth, but I would like to toss in my cent's worth.

    I agree with you, that in order for any claim to be "true," it must be provable, using logic.

    However, logic dictates that the Scriptures are inerrant. Does the Bible itself make that claim? No. Because, as you said, the Bible was not assembled until after the second century, and Canon was not declared until 325 AD. Yet, the Scriptures are inerrant (We can discuss this further if you wish, but that is not the point of my response).

    The Bible as "inerrant" is not a man-made tradition, nor is canon. And to classify each as such, would logically contradict your posit of belief. For what then can you rely on as a basis of faith/belief? If the Bible is errant, then it is unreliable. If canon is man-made, then the Bible is errant. If either or both are true, then you can not have a single source of truth other than God speaking directly to you; which, ironically, is what the inspired authors claim. But if they are errant, then you are just as likely to err, as well.

    With that, I ask how you logically believe in Christ.


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    Thank you for posting, jsanford.

    I would first like to make a minor point. The canon was not set declared in 325 AD. The first recorded instance of the New Testament canon of 27 books was in the Festal Letter of 367 by Bishop Athanasius, and he excluded Esther from the OT while including Maccabees. The Roman Catholic canon was first set at the Council of Carthage around 397. I can provide more details if you’d like. If you have evidence otherwise, please provide it. The 66-book canon used by most Protestants is only a few hundred years 1611 KJV had many more books.

    So, I have two questions for you to start:
    1) Do you see the difference between Mark and Luke’s account of the words of Jesus concerning taking a staff on the missionary journey?
    2) What is the basis of your statement that “logic dictates that the scriptures are inerrant?”

    I will note that Moses was inspired by God to lead the people out of Egypt, yet he still made errors. Jesus breathed on Peter and inspired him to lead the early church. Yet Peter still made mistakes.

    They were not inerrant, yet God used them.

    So I appreciate your engaging in the discussion, and I would appreciate answers to the two questions.

    As to the basis of my belief, it is the same as the reason I believe George Washington was our first president. I did not have to read an inerrant history text to come to that conclusion. The evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is clear: multiple witnesses saw the Lord die and then saw the risen Lord. The resurrection was such a powerful event that it turned a handful of unlearned disciples into men who changed the world. They didn’t need a perfect book; neither do I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    If you get to the point that you can admit that “take no staff” means “take no staff,” rather than “don’t take two staffs,” let me know and we can do continue the discussion.
    You did not read the whole counsel of God and you are not reasonable.

    You are also trying to make the Bible untrustworthy.

    Show where a false doctrine was made because of the staff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You did not read the whole counsel of God and you are not reasonable.

    You are also trying to make the Bible untrustworthy.

    Show where a false doctrine was made because of the staff.
    If you get to the point that you can admit that “take no staff” means “take no staff,” rather than “don’t take two staffs,” let me know and we can continue the discussion.

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