Scripture. What is considered Scripture?

[glorydaz]

If you are saying that I did those things, you are wrong on 3 counts. You struck out.

Not everything is about you. Only two were about you.....so far.

[Lon]

Yes, I have discovered that your points are typically hidden.

If you can’t be clear, don’t expect to be heard.

For example, you never said whether Jesus told the two disciples to being one animal or two.

Yes he did. The same guy that posts a link to Dr. Wallace that completely disagrees with him, is the same guy that thinks this.

And you never said whether the daughter of Jairus was known to be dead by Jairus before Jesus and Jairus started the journey to the house of Jairus.

▲THIS▲ is why I suspect your grades and know 'if' you ever attained, you've squandered your education.

And you never reconciled the multiple errors in the genealogies.

Mindless indoctrination. It is WHY there is NO point in even trying to discuss this with you.
Your mind is made up, you'll not be confused with facts.

I could list other errors you expounded around rather than upon.

▲see above▲ NOBODY can expound what you've already decided.
Nothing WILL work. Nothing WILL do.

You are only saying you are stubborn, Cobra. This whole thread is posturing and unmoving. There is nothing but "uh uh, onh haw" for 2thousand posts. "Uh uh!" "Onh haw!" "Uh uh!" "Onh haw!" "Uh uh!" "Onh haw!"
I guess that's what passes for "A's" in Georgia?

To be fair, no one did. But others didn’t try. They either denied the text or said “Christians aren’t supposed to really look at the text.”

You take a different approach: write something unintelligible and pretend it is profound.

[Lon]

Lon writes:
I have you on record believing he raised Walter from the dead

I don’t have any reason to doubt it.

Why do you?

because I am not charismatic. See, this is why I HAVE to suspect your grades. Sorry about that. I wish I could 'unthink' that about you
You get lost in your reading comprehension. We were talking about 'why' you were charismatic.

Is it because you have decided that God doesn’t do miracles any more?

No, it is because "Zenn" rose Walter from the dead. It makes you charismatic at least in your theological acceptance.
To believe it "IS" charismatic.

If you think that way, you won’t see any miracles.

It doesn't matter if I do or do not, I'm not chasing loaves and fishes.

Are you familiar with Cru, formerly known as Campus Crusade for Christ, and their Jesus Film project?

Yes, they are charismatic. I don't dislike Charismatics, I just can't talk to them.

[glorydaz]

au contraire.

I have great faith His Word, (both of them). I just don't go around saying "you have no faith in His word" were I to mean "you have no faith in His Bible."

The only place you will find His word is in the Bible. So, it's pretty silly to claim you have faith in His word when you don't.

I've spoken before about black and white thinking. But we haven't discussed the Invisible Words Syndrome. This is when one reads or speaks a particular word, and yet invisibly substitutes a different word up inside his or her head for the meaning. You say 'word' but you mean 'Bible'.

Like I said, the Bible IS THE word of God that we have.

So.. here's what you truly meant to say...

And this is correct. I have no faith in a book whose contents was selected by Catholic Bishops (and a particular Catholic Bishop) back in 367 AD.

Why do you? Why do you, gldz, have faith in Catholic Bishops?

That always puzzles me.

Zenn

No, I have faith in God's word...which was written down and kept by God.

I have faith that God is able to do exactly what you deny He has done.

I'm sorry for you that you don't have the same assurance that I have that God is able to keep His word for us, just as He is able to keep us unto the day of redemption. Greater is He than any 'Catholic Bishop" you might imagine translated words from Hebrew and Greek to any other language.

[Lon]

Like I said, the Bible IS THE word of God that we have.

Every kid knows it.

[Lon]

And this is correct. I have no faith in a book

No cult ever did.

whose contents was selected by Catholic Bishops (and a particular Catholic Bishop) back in 367 AD.

Why do you? Why do you, gldz, have faith in Catholic Bishops?

That always puzzles me.

Zenn

Baby/bathwater. Not ALL bishops were corrupt and to simply 'bin' bad with good is not a thinking proposition.

Next? We DON'T have the same bible
You don't seem to know much about the Reformation

[2003cobra]

You know as well as I do, you can't fake grades. Nobody can. The 'veneer' of your or my proposition is as thick as your ability to think out of a paper bag. Do you know what though? Not nearly that bad as a slam. You are simply intimating I'm 'average.'

The sad fact is, 'if' he used to get better grades, he's let it slide. Read everybody, not just me. Everyone has told him clearly his prowess is subpar whether it was is a different story.

Whenever you submit your work for review, your teacher gives you a grade based on what you've done. There is no way this is A material.

Back to the thread: I've answered. Simply 'asserting' is all that is going on here. To the degree you are complicit in poor thinking, er you are 'complicit in poor thinking' and theology. Own it.

When people don’t like the truth, they attack the messenger.

Your attacks on my academic history are amusing, given my success.

But I waited many pages and days while you imagined something about me far from the truth, because your imagination was off topic and wrong.

When I reckoned that your shameful words about me revealed something important about you that is relevant to your rejection of what the scriptures actually say, then I corrected your view.

Now, about the story of Jairus, your only response is don’t look at errors. You are not suppose to do that.

[2003cobra]

Lon writes:
I guess that's what passes for "A's" in Georgia?

Feel free to put your unnamed schools up against Georgia Tech in academic ratings anytime.

Better yet, honestly answer the questions about Jairus.
1) Did Jairus initially ask Jesus to heal a sick girl or to raise a dead girl?
2) Did Jairus learn his daughter was dead before Jesus started to his house or afterwards?

[2003cobra]

because I am not charismatic. See, this is why I HAVE to suspect your grades. Sorry about that. I wish I could 'unthink' that about you
You get lost in your reading comprehension. We were talking about 'why' you were charismatic.


No, it is because "Zenn" rose Walter from the dead. It makes you charismatic at least in your theological acceptance.
To believe it "IS" charismatic.


It doesn't matter if I do or do not, I'm not chasing loaves and fishes.


Yes, they are charismatic. I don't dislike Charismatics, I just can't talk to them.

So, in you mind, a charismatic is someone who believes God still does miracles, and you don’t believe that.

I don’t think many Roman Catholics, Baptists, or other mainline Protestant groups would agree with that definition.

Well, I am certainly glad that I know God still does miracles.

And I am sorry that you are so wrong about that. It makes me a little sad for you.

[Lon]

When people don’t like the truth, they attack the messenger.

When people don’t like the truth, they attack the messenger.

Or attack the message

[glorydaz]

Lon writes:
I guess that's what passes for "A's" in Georgia?

Feel free to pass your unnamed schools up against Georgia Tech.

Better yet, honestly answer the questions about Jairus.
1) Did Jairus initially ask Jesus to heal a sick girl or to raise a dead girl?
2) Did Jairus learn his daughter was dead before Jesus started to his house or afterwards?

If there was anyone here who wanted to reward you for your browbeating ways, you'd have been answered by now. Personally, I wouldn't answer you if my membership on this site was at stake. In fact, I'd eat a handful of big dead cicadas and drink a cup of vinegar before I'd respond to your browbeating.

Rewarding evil intentions with good is bound to produce more evil deeds. Your intentions are evil. Your mission is evil. And you are out to cause dissent. And, you look downright stupid for continuing to repeat and repeat yourself like the heathens do.

[Lon]

I'd eat a handful of big dead cicadas and drink a cup of vinegar before I'd respond to your browbeating.

Isn't this one of those 30 day cleanse things?

[Lon]

When people don’t like the truth, they attack the messenger.

Quote? Link? Study? I think you can like the message and still attack the messenger

Your attacks on my academic history are amusing, given my success.

Big fish in little ponds might be littler in bigger lakes. (You haven't been using your education well).
It amuses you and that's fine. It doesn't matter then for this discussion but I am left wondering 'why' nothing goes between your ears.
Stubborn, indoctrinated, and refusal to listen aren't academic hallmarks so you'll have to forgive such assessment. To me, the writing seems evident upon the wall.

But I waited many pages and days while you imagined something about me far from the truth, because your imagination was off topic and wrong.

Having assessed thousands for their academic ability, I do this pretty well. Occasionally wrong? Not often.

When I reckoned that your shameful words about me revealed something important about you that is relevant to your rejection of what the scriptures actually say, then I corrected your view.

Reckoning you a 'C' student is hardly shameful. It DOES reveal what is important to you, however, despite how much you kick and squirm otherwise. I've had 'smart' folks try and tell me I'm dumb. 1) They were smart 2) They were wrong. That's it. Maybe they were trying to tear me down. I think, in a nutshell, we don't want to waste our time with those who cannot be taught. For you? I'm trying to figure out why you are taking the academic low-road if you actually have the prowess otherwise. I'm not seeing it, frankly.

Now, about the story of Jairus, why is your only response don’t look at errors. You are not supposed to do that.

See ▲here▲? This doesn't look "A" material to me. There are several posters on TOL who are actually smarter than I am. You've met one of them in thread. I'd bet you know who he or she is. It is 'evident.' I KNOW they are smarter than I am. When they talk, I listen. I may not always agree, but I shut up quickly so I can learn something. I truly believe, the mark of intelligence, is a willingness to listen and continue learning. I don't really see that in you, and it makes me wonder. As you might be discovering, I have a few degrees as well. I AM a little envious of you, I cannot work AND go to school at the same time. I couldn't stay awake in classes. Once I figured that out, I was back up to A's and B's (Masters with a 3.87). Want to know why it wasn't a 4.0? The teacher kept saying 'trivia' and I'd put my pen down. She was 'intimating' that such would be on the test. RUINED my gpa for lack of correct conveyance. I was really upset about that.

Back to the thread: We have the Spirit, but the Spirit needs to be able to use something to confirm things to us, for when 'our' imperfection gets it wrong. "If" you didn't have the Bible, you'd know little of God. Romans 10:13-15

As far as I'm concerned, you are wasting your time. You MUST use the Bible to convince anybody of anything. Focussing on the 'errors' would do NOTHING for you. You 'could' question whether Romans 1 really set homosexuality out of the church, etc. But that's an agenda to 'undermine' the authority of the Bible.
A lot of liberals and many on TOL have already tried that. Sometimes the 'agenda' comes later.

If you don't agree that the Bible has authority over you for life and godliness, our discussion is simply about posturing between us on what and will not be authoritative in our lives. It is ALWAYS going to be about authority and God's authority over our lives. Ehrman isn't walking with God because he rejected the God of the Bible, NOT because he rejected the Bible. He had to reject God. Taking aim at inerrancy is not the answer. Because of that, I still have to wonder about what passes for you, for intelligence, walking with Jesus, and ability to think clearly and logically.

In a nutshell, try to ALWAYS look beyond the name-calling. Those names are ways people express an assessment: They are telling you 'this doesn't appear godly' - "Child of Satan" they are trying to tell you 'this doesn't make sense' "You're a halfwit!" They are trying to tell you 'you are confusing' " " Listen beyond the name-calling. I know you think it is always 'shameful' but try not to get caught up in the name-calling yourself. If you are truly an A student, you can grasp what I'm saying here. If not?

[glorydaz]

Isn't this one of those 30 day cleanse things?

Hmmmm, did I read that somewhere?

....but you can't believe everything you read. Just ask Sonnet.

[Lon]

Hmmmm, did I read that somewhere?

....but you can't believe everything you read. Just ask Sonnet.

Well, I'm willing to try it