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    James 1:1 refutes MAD

    James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. James 1:1

    And that target audience would have been believing Jews from the twelve tribes seeing the unbelieving Jews from the twelve tribes would not have got past the name - LORD JESUS CHRIST!!

    Did you see that formula - Dispensational unbeliever?

    Believing Jews from the twelve tribes vs. unbelieving Jews from the twelve tribes.

    ....originally addressed to Right Divider who ran away all MAD!

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    I don't get the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    I don't get the point.
    There was a remnant of believing Israel within the main body of fleshly Israel.

    Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: Rom. 9:27

    MAD refuse to acknowledge any Israel except ethnic Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epoisses View Post
    James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. James 1:1

    And that target audience would have been believing Jews from the twelve tribes seeing the unbelieving Jews from the twelve tribes would not have got past the name - LORD JESUS CHRIST!!

    Did you see that formula - Dispensational unbeliever?

    Believing Jews from the twelve tribes vs. unbelieving Jews from the twelve tribes.

    ....originally addressed to Right Divider who ran away all MAD!
    The book of James is considered to be the earliest writing in the NT, at a time when the believing assembly was totally Jewish and the believing Jews were still zealous of the law Act 21:20 and gentiles were not even under consideration.

    Act 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

    Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation;

    Act 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
    Act 11:3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

    Act 11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epoisses View Post
    There was a remnant of believing Israel within the main body of fleshly Israel.

    Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: Rom. 9:27

    MAD refuse to acknowledge any Israel except ethnic Israel.
    I agree with your first two paragraphs.
    Do not understand the last one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    The book of James is considered to be the earliest writing in the NT, at a time when the believing assembly was totally Jewish and the believing Jews were still zealous of the law Act 21:20 and gentiles were not even under consideration.
    So you fully admit that there were believing Jews from the 12 tribes as opposed to unbelieving Jews from the 12 tribes? Each tribe of Israel had believers and unbelievers mixed together. The believers came out and formed the church and the unbelievers stayed in the synagogues. Believing Jews would have been part of the body of Christ like Peter, Paul, James and John.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    I agree with your first two paragraphs.
    Do not understand the last one.
    The body of Christ is made up of all believers in Christ i.e. believing Jews and believing Gentiles.

    MAD reject this and say Israel is only Israel of the flesh and the body of Christ are only Gentile believers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epoisses View Post
    The body of Christ is made up of all believers in Christ i.e. believing Jews and believing Gentiles.

    MAD reject this and say Israel is only Israel of the flesh and the body of Christ are only Gentile believers.
    The bolded part is simply not true. Sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    The bolded part is simply not true. Sorry
    Oh it is true, Israel is always Israel and the church is always the church i.e. Israel = Jews and church = Gentiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epoisses View Post
    Oh it is true, Israel is always Israel and the church is always the church i.e. Israel = Jews and church = Gentiles.
    Every single MADist on TOL believes the Body is made up of both Jews and Gentiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Every single MADist on TOL believes the Body is made up of both Jews and Gentiles.
    So every single MADist believes the body of Christ or the church has Jews and Gentiles together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epoisses View Post
    So every single MADist believes the body of Christ or the church has Jews and Gentiles together?
    Of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Of course.
    No they don't, point blank. They believe the church started with Paul and Peter, James and John taught the gospel of the circumcision to Jews only. There is a hard and fast division between Jew and Gentile. I'll let others chime in because you seem to be an oddball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epoisses View Post
    No they don't, point blank. They believe the church started with Paul and Peter, James and John taught the gospel of the circumcision to Jews only. There is a hard and fast division between Jew and Gentile. I'll let others chime in because you seem to be an oddball.


    Okay. Keep notes. Every MADist will agree the Body contains both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post


    Okay. Keep notes. Every MADist will agree the Body contains both.
    Is the body and the church the same thing? Let's define our terms.

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