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    I cannot fellowship with anyone that teaches God predestinates people to hell before they are born. Nor can I fellowship with anyone that professes that Jesus is not the savior of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. To say that Jesus did not atone for the sins of the whole world is to say that Jesus is NOT Lord.

    Be careful with who and with what you fellowship with. You may find yourself in the same boat with them.

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    The great lie of Calvinism is that God ordains men and women to hell before they were born. This is heresy pure and simple and an attack on the character of God himself. The one requirement in the bible for Salvation is belief in Christ. Belief in Christ is presented as a command 20 times for every one time it is presented as a gift. Our presentation of the gospel should reflect this and in the scriptures the command comes first and later believers slowly begin to realize that everything they have comes from God. Calvinists reject all NT commands (faith, love, patience etc.) and are left with their bastardized gospel where the saved are those who win the cosmic lottery of chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    I cannot fellowship with anyone that teaches God predestinates people to hell before they are born. Nor can I fellowship with anyone that professes that Jesus is not the savior of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. To say that Jesus did not atone for the sins of the whole world is to say that Jesus is NOT Lord.

    Be careful with who and with what you fellowship with. You may find yourself in the same boat with them.
    Why will some men face the wrath of God?

    Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Why will some men face the wrath of God?

    Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
    Some will face the wrath of God simply because they love their sins. Just like some religious people love their religion more than they love Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Some will face the wrath of God simply because they love their sins. Just like some religious people love their religion more than they love Christ.
    So, in other words, you aren't saying that Jesus atoned for the sins of all men.

    Maybe atone doesn't mean the same to you as it does to me. Could you elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epoisses View Post
    Calvinists reject all NT commands (faith, love, patience etc.) ...
    Those are "commands"?

    And you claim Calvinists reject them?

    These are things that make you go......

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Those are "commands"?

    And you claim Calvinists reject them?

    These are things that make you go......
    Kind of like people who have been Christians for 40 years and can't even admit they are sinners saved by grace not 40 years of pew warming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    My biggest complaint against Mr. Religion is that he does not believe that "Jesus is Lord". If you believe that "Jesus is Lord" then you must believe that Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil, Colossians 2:15 and in doing so has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. Mr. Religion does not believe any of that, nor does he believe that Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. To not believe in the Lordship of Jesus Christ is a really, really, big problem. Jesus said, "I therefore say unto you, that you shall die in your sins: FOR IF YOU BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YOU SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS" John 8:24. It is imperative that you believe that Jesus is Lord or God if you want to be saved. Jesus sits in heaven as the "King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation19:16. Having conquered sin, death and the devil.

    If Jesus has conquered sin, death and the devil and has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. then who needs Mr. Religions worthless, Calvinist religion? All Calvinist are deniers of the Gospel. The foundation of the Gospel is that Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world, not just some sins, but all sins, so that now... "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13. Not just some selected few, but all that want to be saved.

    Mr. Religion's religion stinks and is full of heresy's and lies. "God does so love the world" John 3:16 and not just you, you proud Pharisee. Unless you repent from your false religion you will most certainly perish, just as you should for rejecting the Gospel.
    Robert, AMR certainly has a different theology than you do. No one disputes that. But you never interact with what is being presented to you in any meaningful way. You simply resort to putting words in his mouth and then denouncing his view. The above is one example of that. The utter lunacy of saying that AMR doesn't believe that Jesus is Lord is evidence that you are not being honest with "the other side". Maybe you simply can't understand his arguments - but casting around anathemas is not good fruit. What you have said simply isn't true. But did't Matthew record Jesus saying something about that :

    Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

    Matthew 5:10-11

    {See how that works?}
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    Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.

    Isaiah 50:10-11

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolai_42 View Post
    Robert, AMR certainly has a different theology than you do. No one disputes that. But you never interact with what is being presented to you in any meaningful way. You simply resort to putting words in his mouth and then denouncing his view. The above is one example of that. The utter lunacy of saying that AMR doesn't believe that Jesus is Lord is evidence that you are not being honest with "the other side". Maybe you simply can't understand his arguments - but casting around anathemas is not good fruit. What you have said simply isn't true. But did't Matthew record Jesus saying something about that :

    Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

    Matthew 5:10-11

    {See how that works?}

    You are apparently in the same boat as Mr. Religion, the Calvinist boat.

    Calvinism is a denial of the "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ and justification by faith. The foundation of the Gospel is that Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and in doing so has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. If you don't believe that you have no right to call yourself a Christian. If you do believe that, then you will profess that Calvinism is nothing more than a false, worthless doctrine and religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    You are apparently in the same boat as Mr. Religion, the Calvinist boat.

    Calvinism is a denial of the "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ and justification by faith. The foundation of the Gospel is that Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and in doing so has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. If you don't believe that you have no right to call yourself a Christian. If you do believe that, then you will profess that Calvinism is nothing more than a false, worthless doctrine and religion.
    You, then, must be a universalist. Paul also says immediately after those 2 verses :

    Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
    2 Cor 5:20

    In other words, not all are reconciled. But Paul calls men to be reconciled to God. The way you understand it, one can only be biblically consistent if one believes universalism.

    For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
    Romans 5:10
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    Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.

    Isaiah 50:10-11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epoisses View Post
    Kind of like people who have been Christians for 40 years and can't even admit they are sinners saved by grace not 40 years of pew warming.
    If you're somehow arguing that statement applies to me, you're even more of an idiot than I first thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolai_42 View Post
    You, then, must be a universalist. Paul also says immediately after those 2 verses :

    Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
    2 Cor 5:20

    In other words, not all are reconciled. But Paul calls men to be reconciled to God. The way you understand it, one can only be biblically consistent if one believes universalism.

    For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
    Romans 5:10

    You apparently don't understand the Gospel, or you understand it but reject it.

    In the Gospel, as the scripture says, God has reconciled the WHOLE WORLD unto himself by Jesus Christ. All have been reconciled, HOWEVER, not all want to be reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ, these are the lost that have rejected God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ, Ephesians 2:8. This has nothing to do with universalism, but has everything to with free will, which you probably reject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    You apparently don't understand the Gospel, or you understand it but reject it.

    In the Gospel, as the scripture says, God has reconciled the WHOLE WORLD unto himself by Jesus Christ. All have been reconciled, HOWEVER, not all want to be reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ, these are the lost that have rejected God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ, Ephesians 2:8. This has nothing to do with universalism, but has everything to with free will, which you probably reject.
    You are contradicting the plain words of scripture, Robert. Paul's command to be reconciled is to those who are not reconciled. The reconciliation he spoke of as being to the world, therefore, is non-specific. But you want to make it as broad as possible. Thus, universalism.
    If God promises life, He slayeth first; when He builds, He casteth all down first. God is no patcher; He cannot build on another's foundation. - William Tyndale

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    Jeremiah 17:9

    Who is among you that feareth the Lord, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of the Lord, and stay upon his God.
    Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.

    Isaiah 50:10-11

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolai_42 View Post
    You are contradicting the plain words of scripture, Robert. Paul's command to be reconciled is to those who are not reconciled. The reconciliation he spoke of as being to the world, therefore, is non-specific. But you want to make it as broad as possible. Thus, universalism.

    You apparently do not have the Holy Spirit who is the teacher of truth, John 16:13.

    Either that, or you cannot read. The scripture plainly says..."God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:18.

    The world has ALREADY been reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ. As far as God is concerned sin, death and the devil have been defeated and Jesus is Lord. If you are not able to receive this wonderful truth it is probably because you are not a Christian.

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    What was the first "true" religion?

    Mr Religion's is the first true religion.

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