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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    Yes, it is born again hearts.

    Hi and what do you believe about Jer 32:39 and 40 , that God will put FEAR IN THEIR HEART so that we ( JEWS ) will not depart from Me !!

    I that what BEING BORN AGAIN means ??>

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi and what do you believe about Jer 32:39 and 40 , that God will put FEAR IN THEIR HEART so that we ( JEWS ) will not depart from Me !!
    They are both talking about true God's people with action and lips

    I that what BEING BORN AGAIN means ??>

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    yes.
    If you want to be true to God and Jesus, abandon any kind of violence at all cost. By advocating any kind of violence, you are misrepresenting Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    They are both talking about true God's people with action and lips




    It is new born of truthful heart with action and lips.

    Hi and what about the verse in Jer 32:39 ??

    And here I thought that PERFECT LOVE casteth OUT FEAR ??

    The verse does not apply to the B O C !!~

    CONTEXT always takes a BEATING HERE !! O WELL !!

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    I just edited my post.
    If you want to be true to God and Jesus, abandon any kind of violence at all cost. By advocating any kind of violence, you are misrepresenting Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi and what about the verse in Jer 32:39 ??

    And here I thought that PERFECT LOVE casteth OUT FEAR ??

    The verse does nopt apply to the B O C !!~

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    It seems that you are confusing the word "fear".

    It means utmost respect.

    We are not afraid of anything but we have utmost respect for God and Jesus.
    If you want to be true to God and Jesus, abandon any kind of violence at all cost. By advocating any kind of violence, you are misrepresenting Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    I would suggest that's what the world tells us today. I haven't seen it in the bible.

    Look at the conversion of Paul. After he had been blinded by Jesus, fasting and praying for three days then regaining his sight, he still had his sins. There was only one thing left to do. Look at what Ananias tells him.

    Acts 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.

    Hi and how can Paul have sins when Paul had the Holy Spirit in Acts 9:6 !!

    Read 1 Cor 12:3 and see !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi and how can Paul have sins when Paul had the Holy Spirit in Acts 9:6 !!

    Read 1 Cor 12:3 and see !!

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    Because Jesus' standard is perfection, and no one is perfect. not even Paul, only Jesus is.

    Thats why it is just boasting to say you are sinless and saved.
    If you want to be true to God and Jesus, abandon any kind of violence at all cost. By advocating any kind of violence, you are misrepresenting Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    Because Jesus' standard is perfection, and no one is perfect. not even Paul, only Jesus is.

    Thats why it is just boasting to say you are sinless and saved.

    Hi and it obviously that you do not understand what 1 Cor 12:3 means ??

    Can not make people DRINK !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post

    Can not make people DRINK !!

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    I know but if you believe in Him you will drink.
    If you want to be true to God and Jesus, abandon any kind of violence at all cost. By advocating any kind of violence, you are misrepresenting Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi and how can Paul have sins when Paul had the Holy Spirit in Acts 9:6 !!

    Read 1 Cor 12:3 and see !!

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    Are you saying he doesn't?

    I didn't write this.
    16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.
    Wretched man that I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    I know but if you believe in Him you will drink.

    Him and I am not going to say that you do not believe , but what are you DRINKING ??

    1 Cor 12:3 , has 4 verbs in verse 3 , 3 are in the Greek PRESENT TENSE and one in the AORIST TENSE and when Paul called Jesus KURIOS / LORD , Paul did with POWER Holy Spirit , since the Greek ARTICLE ( THE ) is NOT USED before , the words , HOLY SPIRIT !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Him and I am not going to say that you do not believe , but what are you DRINKING ??
    Drink means to act what you believe.
    If you want to be true to God and Jesus, abandon any kind of violence at all cost. By advocating any kind of violence, you are misrepresenting Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    I would suggest that's what the world tells us today. I haven't seen it in the bible.

    Look at the conversion of Paul. After he had been blinded by Jesus, fasting and praying for three days then regaining his sight, he still had his sins. There was only one thing left to do. Look at what Ananias tells him.

    Acts 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.
    Apparently, you have continued to fail to study that very practice out in the OT; where it originated.

    Until you do, there really is no point in responding to you for you will only continue in your obvious ignorance of this Israelite water cleansing/purification ritual under THEIR Law.

    They even water baptized inanimate objects - in their practice of the TEMPORARY washing away of sin - as instructed to under THEIR God-given Law through Moses.

    Never mind its repetition under the Law, there in Acts 21.

    And never mind who it was who water baptized Saul, and why...

    Acts 22:12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,

    Carry on, I hear it said that ignorance is bliss - have your nirvana, then.

    It is what it is with your kind.

    Nevertheless, and given your repeatedly obvious works based salvation error - Rom. 5:6-8 towards you.

    I'll remember you in prayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    Are you saying he doesn't?

    I didn't write this.
    16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’

    Hi and you must mean verse 17 or 18 and not 16 , I believe ?

    When ANANIAS laid his hands on Paul , in verse 18 Paul was given POWER of Holy Spirit and that was his , Paul BAPTISM !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Until you do, there really is no point in responding to you for you will only continue in your obvious ignorance of this Israelite water cleansing/purification ritual under THEIR Law.
    I agree water purification was a part of the old law, but this is not under the old law. The old law was a shadow of what we have in Christ.

    The gospel began with baptism.
    Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
    2 As it is written in Isaiah the prophet,
    “Behold, I send my messenger before your face,
    who will prepare your way,
    3 the voice of one crying in the wilderness:
    ‘Prepare[c] the way of the Lord,
    make his paths straight,’”
    4 John appeared, baptizing in the wilderness and proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.


    Being baptized for repentance is not in the old law. If it is, please point it out.

    Being baptized in the name of Jesus definitely isn't in the old law.
    Wretched man that I am.

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