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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Moses was fully God, per Exodus 7:1, "And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet."

    Moses knew it didn't he? After all God had him write down the revelation of the book of Exodus.

    Exodus 7:1 is God's testimony of who Moses is. It it not the emotionally overwhelmed testimony of a human being. If God was wrong to call Moses god, why didnt God correct God?

    The people that Jesus referred to in John 10 are fully God as well.

    34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

    35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

    36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

    Jesus was no more "the God" than Moses and those Jesus referred to in John 10

    So was Moses, the God? Were the people Jesus referred to in John 10 "the Gods"?
    No, Moses was not fully God. You need to read what is written, NOT read INTO what is written.

    Moses was asking God how it would be that Pharaoh would listen to one such as Moses.

    Exodus 6:29-30 That the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, I am the Lord: speak thou unto Pharaoh king of Egypt all that I say unto thee. And Moses said before the Lord, Behold, I am of uncircumcised lips, and how shall Pharaoh hearken unto me?

    God assures him that he would make him a "god" to Pharaoh.

    Exodus 7:1-2 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.

    And that He proceeds to do with all the signs and wonders that came by Moses' command. Who spoke for the Lord God as Pharaoh would soon know. Exodus 7:5


    And the Judges of Israel were not "fully God", either, and you know it. The Psalm our Lord was referring to makes it clear ...they were men who spoke for God.


    Jesus was a man, who not only spoke for God, but WAS GOD and was WITH GOD from the beginning. John 1:1 The question is did He know that (not whether you know that or not).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    So Mary potty trained God? Now that is love.

    And she nursed him and kept him warm.

    Joseph protected Jesus by taking him to Egypt.

    He did this so Herod would not kill him.

    Joseph trained Jesus so he could make a living.
    Still confusing the humanity of our Lord with His deity I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkins View Post
    God has the ability not to know anything. This is the ability as part of His omnipotence. Jesus doesn't need to know everything God the Father knows during His journey on earth as a matter of His submission to God. He thus is more a like a prophet sent. He knows whatever and at the point God the Father wants Him to know.
    Yep, He certainly has the ability to choose what He allowed His own humanity to know. It seems He chose not to know the day or hour which He would return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Interesting question.
    It will delve into the nature of the incarnation.
    And is why we see debates on how many natures Jesus had.
    Did He have only one nature, or did He have two?

    When Jesus was a newborn infant, did His mind already function fully?
    Could He, as GOD, already speak a fluent language while He was a newborn?
    Or was language something He had to learn as He grew, just like all other newborns of mankind?

    How does one go about separating (or rather distinguishing) between His manhood and His Godhood when discussing the stages of His manhood?
    Yeah, his humanity veiled His full Glory, but His Glory was still there. On the mount of Transfiguration, He allowed it to be seen (or at least partially).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Hi, Hawkins.
    Welcome to the discussion.

    If GOD could make Himself not know anything, then how could He ever return to a state of knowing while He is in a state of not knowing????

    But you do bring up an excellent point about submission.
    Mankind is to submit to GOD.
    Jesus, as man, submitted to GOD.
    But also, Jesus was GOD and mankind was to submit to Him.
    The only thing I can think of that He said He didn't know was the time of His return.

    He said that He told his followers "everything" the Father had told Him, which means He would have to tell them the time of His return if He knew it. John 15:15 What do you think about that part, Tam?

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    Yes

    John 2:23-25 King James Version (KJV)

    23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.

    24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

    25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    The only thing I can think of that He said He didn't know was the time of His return.

    He said that He told his followers "everything" the Father had told Him, which means He would have to tell them the time of His return if He knew it. John 15:15 What do you think about that part, Tam?
    Yeah, it get's tricky doesn't it.

    We also have Peter's statement:

    John 21 KJV
    (17) He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Yeah, it get's tricky doesn't it.

    We also have Peter's statement:

    John 21 KJV
    (17) He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
    When you think of how we are capable of doing more than one thing at a time, how we do so many things automatically without even needing to think about it, it makes it easier to see how Jesus could hold together the world while walking among us as a man. He sure didn't tell the disciples everything He knew as God Almighty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    No, Moses was not fully God. You need to read what is written, NOT read INTO what is written.

    Moses was asking God how it would be that Pharaoh would listen to one such as Moses.

    Exodus 6:29-30 That the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, I am the Lord: speak thou unto Pharaoh king of Egypt all that I say unto thee. And Moses said before the Lord, Behold, I am of uncircumcised lips, and how shall Pharaoh hearken unto me?

    God assures him that he would make him a "god" to Pharaoh.

    Exodus 7:1-2 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.

    And that He proceeds to do with all the signs and wonders that came by Moses' command. Who spoke for the Lord God as Pharaoh would soon know. Exodus 7:5


    And the Judges of Israel were not "fully God", either, and you know it. The Psalm our Lord was referring to makes it clear ...they were men who spoke for God.


    Jesus was a man, who not only spoke for God, but WAS GOD and was WITH GOD from the beginning. John 1:1 The question is did He know that (not whether you know that or not).
    God said Moses is God. If you choose not to believe that, oh well

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    God said Moses is God. If you choose not to believe that, oh well
    Yeah, and you're god to your dog, but that doesn't make you God.

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    Yahshua said he was a (elohiym / god) from Heaven.

    Why do you want to believe that Trinitarianism is true when scriptures show otherwise.

    Orthodox Jews have never believed that God is a Trinity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Still confusing the humanity of our Lord with His deity I see.
    They are mutually exclusive.

    Jesus was like us in every way.

    However, he is the firstborn of the second born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    What say you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    They are mutually exclusive.

    Jesus was like us in every way.

    However, he is the firstborn of the second born.
    Just make it up as you go along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    Yahshua said he was a (elohiym / god) from Heaven.

    Why do you want to believe that Trinitarianism is true when scriptures show otherwise.

    Orthodox Jews have never believed that God is a Trinity.
    And they crucified the LORD OF GLORY.

    Jesus did not say He was "a god" from heaven.

    Some of you people are certainly ignorant of what the Bible says.

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