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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    I think He knew but I'm not sure how early in His earthly life. John 17:5 KJV -
    It brings up some interesting questions, doesn't it?

    How limited was God in this humanity He took on?

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    I submit God experienced everything a human does, from birth to death, and He knew full well who He was from the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    I submit God experienced everything a human does, from birth to death, and He knew full well who He was from the beginning.
    Luke 2:49 (KJV)

    He knew.
    THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS RISEN. Matthew 28:6 (KJV) Mark 16:6 (KJV) Luke 24:6 (KJV)

    Romans 10:9 (KJV) 1st Corinthians 15:14 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    I submit God experienced everything a human does, from birth to death, and He knew full well who He was from the beginning.
    You could ask how could He not know?
    1 Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV -


    Colossians 1:13-14 KJV - Colossians 1:15-16 KJV - Colossians 1:17-18 KJV -

    Colossians 1:19-20 KJV - Colossians 1:21-22 KJV - Colossians 1:23 KJV -

    Colossians 1:25-26 KJV 27, 28, 29 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Ephesians 1:12-13, 14 -



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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    What say you?
    yes
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    Christian theology isn't to be in Christ.


    So, what?

    believe it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    What say you?
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    What say you?
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    In other words, yes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    You could ask how could He not know?
    He is God. So you're saying, Seeing as He is God, when He was young, how would God, as a youngster, see Himself? Or, is there a way that God, born as a baby boy, could have not known Who He was? And if there is a way, then what might we see in His story that would indicate that He became aware of Who He was at some point, and His story would not indicate that He knew before this? Like His baptism? His temptation? Certainly His passion? His resurrection? His Ascension? When did He become fully aware? Surely before He began His ministry, or at the beginning of His ministry, John 2:19 (KJV), and I think, for certain in Luke 2:49 (KJV) too. Seeing as He is God, why wouldn't these verses indicate precisely what they look to be indicating? that He is God, and that He knew it.
    THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS RISEN. Matthew 28:6 (KJV) Mark 16:6 (KJV) Luke 24:6 (KJV)

    Romans 10:9 (KJV) 1st Corinthians 15:14 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    He is God. So you're saying, Seeing as He is God, when He was young, how would God, as a youngster, see Himself? Or, is there a way that God, born as a baby boy, could have not known Who He was? And if there is a way, then what might we see in His story that would indicate that He became aware of Who He was at some point, and His story would not indicate that He knew before this? Like His baptism? His temptation? Certainly His passion? His resurrection? His Ascension? When did He become fully aware? Surely before He began His ministry, or at the beginning of His ministry, John 2:19 (KJV), and I think, for certain in Luke 2:49 (KJV) too. Seeing as He is God, why wouldn't these verses indicate precisely what they look to be indicating? that He is God, and that He knew it.
    Being fully human we know that babies are not born walking and talking so it's difficult to know when Jesus became aware of His divinity. I don't know of a scripture that specifies.
    1 Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV -


    Colossians 1:13-14 KJV - Colossians 1:15-16 KJV - Colossians 1:17-18 KJV -

    Colossians 1:19-20 KJV - Colossians 1:21-22 KJV - Colossians 1:23 KJV -

    Colossians 1:25-26 KJV 27, 28, 29 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Ephesians 1:12-13, 14 -



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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Being fully human we know that babies are not born walking and talking so it's difficult to know when Jesus became aware of His divinity. I don't know of a scripture that specifies.
    I don't know either, but I do know that He knew, and His mother knew, before anybody else did, if---and it's a big if---John 2:3-4 (KJV) is a quarrel about Mary, pressuring Jesus to finally reveal Himself as God to the world.

    Maybe not though? It looks that way to me (Jn2:11KJV), but I could be wrong.
    THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS RISEN. Matthew 28:6 (KJV) Mark 16:6 (KJV) Luke 24:6 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Being fully human we know that babies are not born walking and talking so it's difficult to know when Jesus became aware of His divinity. I don't know of a scripture that specifies.
    But God would be experiencing the things all babies experience. Their hunger, thirst, illness, fear, parental love, comfort, warmth, etc. What happens to us as infants has a huge impact on us. More than we know, I'm sure. The scripture tells us "in all things".....

    Heb. 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    What say you?
    Moses was fully God, per Exodus 7:1, "And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet."

    Moses knew it didn't he? After all God had him write down the revelation of the book of Exodus.

    Exodus 7:1 is God's testimony of who Moses is. It it not the emotionally overwhelmed testimony of a human being. If God was wrong to call Moses god, why didnt God correct God?

    The people that Jesus referred to in John 10 are fully God as well.

    34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

    35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

    36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

    Jesus was no more "the God" than Moses and those Jesus referred to in John 10

    So was Moses, the God? Were the people Jesus referred to in John 10 "the Gods"?
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

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    So Mary potty trained God? Now that is love.

    And she nursed him and kept him warm.

    Joseph protected Jesus by taking him to Egypt.

    He did this so Herod would not kill him.

    Joseph trained Jesus so he could make a living.

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    God has the ability not to know anything. This is the ability as part of His omnipotence. Jesus doesn't need to know everything God the Father knows during His journey on earth as a matter of His submission to God. He thus is more a like a prophet sent. He knows whatever and at the point God the Father wants Him to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    What say you?
    Interesting question.
    It will delve into the nature of the incarnation.
    And is why we see debates on how many natures Jesus had.
    Did He have only one nature, or did He have two?

    When Jesus was a newborn infant, did His mind already function fully?
    Could He, as GOD, already speak a fluent language while He was a newborn?
    Or was language something He had to learn as He grew, just like all other newborns of mankind?

    How does one go about separating (or rather distinguishing) between His manhood and His Godhood when discussing the stages of His manhood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkins View Post
    God has the ability not to know anything. This is the ability as part of His omnipotence. Jesus doesn't need to know everything God the Father knows during His journey on earth as a matter of His submission to God. He thus is more a like a prophet sent. He knows whatever and at the point God the Father wants Him to know.
    Hi, Hawkins.
    Welcome to the discussion.

    If GOD could make Himself not know anything, then how could He ever return to a state of knowing while He is in a state of not knowing????

    But you do bring up an excellent point about submission.
    Mankind is to submit to GOD.
    Jesus, as man, submitted to GOD.
    But also, Jesus was GOD and mankind was to submit to Him.

    God Bless America

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