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    Quote Originally Posted by This Charming Manc View Post
    I feel safe at every church I attend because I know there is virtually no chance that man will burst in with evil intent armed with an assault rifle and dressed in body armour.

    In a country with 300,000,000 guns in personal possession, I understand the feeling of wanting good men round with guns to keep you safe.

    But I feel and stats show i am safer in a country with virtually no guns in public ownership.
    Great.

    Now get to work getting rid of acid attacks to the face, bucket bombs, random knifings, etc. Let us know when you've eliminated all crime, as you're surely well on your way to doing. Pip pip, cheerio, what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by This Charming Manc View Post
    I feel safe at every church I attend
    Very telling that different churches are completely interchangeable for you. They all preach leftist doctrine, no doubt, so you're quite at home wherever you go.
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    The odds of being murdered using a firearm in the US in a given year are about 30,000 to 1.

    The odds of being killed in the US by a refugee terrorist are 3.6 billion to 1.

    Despite evidence to the contrary, Trump and his "motley crew" of conservative supporters continue to stress the threat of "refugee terrorists" to public safety, while refusing to confront the real threat of domestic gun violence - particularly the carnage associated with assault rifles!
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    I wish we could and life was that simple but its not.

    But just because we cant eliminate one evil, does not mean we should ignore what can be done about another.

    The UK murder rate is 0.98 per 100,000 population, the US is 4.88 per 100,000 population the main difference is guns.

    Obfuscate and insult all you want, but you blindly defend a system that needlessly kills Americans.

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    Great.

    Now get to work getting rid of acid attacks to the face, bucket bombs, random knifings, etc. Let us know when you've eliminated all crime, as you're surely well on your way to doing. Pip pip, cheerio, what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by This Charming Manc View Post
    Hi Nihilo,

    Your not wrong to use the word terror, and if it makes you feel in anyway better go ahead.

    I tend to draw the distinction that terrorism is done in pursuit of a cause, however mad or insane the cause is.

    It doesn't seem this chap had a cause or motive beyond hate and personal vendetta.

    I fully understand you wanting to draw maximum attention to heinous nature of his crimes, but I do find the distinction real.

    All the best.
    I understand, and tomato-tomahto on the one hand, and on the other, there is already a perfectly good English word that names the type of thing that a mass shooting is, and it's terrorism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by This Charming Manc View Post
    The UK murder rate is 0.98 per 100,000 population, the US is 4.88 per 100,000 population the main difference is guns.
    The main difference is murderers. We've got more murderers than you do.
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    a system that needlessly kills Americans.
    I am body and soul against any such system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    I read he was a self described atheist. Clearly, he blamed those "goody goody Christians"....his ex wife's family were church goers. Some men just hate good and love evil. This guy seems to be one of those.
    I haven't [seen] a murderer yet who isn't one of those men, including all terrorists.
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    Well seeing as language needs to mean the same thing for both the speaker and the hearer for it to work we have definitions. Usually held in dictionary's

    Terrorism

    The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

    You seem to be wishing to remove that last part from the standard definition. Your reasons maybe laudable and I think well motivated, but I must disagree.
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    I continue to be appalled as to the number of conservative Christians who are the most ardent supporters of the NRA agenda - including the proliferation of assault weapons!
    1. An AR-15 which the general public can buy off the shelf is not an assualt rifle. Assault rifles are legal for only law enforcement, intelligence, and military personell.

    2. Why shouldn't conservative Christian's be in favor of liberty? To me it seems to be a no-brainer. Our Constitution is the only protection we have to worship as we please, to speak our minds freely, and to follow the dictates of our own consciences. And yet you seemingly advocate that we give all that up, for once the Constitution is invalidated in one area it is much easier to invalidate in another area. It is a very slippery slope once that road is entered.

    3. Liberty is only achieved through blood shed. History teaches us that. Ask the Anglo-Saxons. Ask the Dutch. Ask the Belgians. Ask the French. Ask the Finns. Ask Americans. Ask the Poles. Ask any nation or people that has throughout history had to fight to become a free nation. And, liberty is only maintained at the price of blood and suffering too. Even those nations who became free without violence only had that chance because others who came before them had died for their own liberty, and as such passed that liberty on to others when the time came, rather than making them shed blood. The desire to enslave/control others has lived within the hearts of man ever since the fall of Adam and Eve. It is a part of human nature that we cannot escape through wishful thinking. And, it is encouraged by our great enemy, the devil. It is one of the fundamental principles of his kingdom, and he is the prince of this world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    The main difference is murderers. We've got more murderers than you do.
    That's blatantly true, but why?

    Are Americans more evil? Is your society more broken? Or does a gun mean that it is more likely that an angry man becomes a killer?

    I think its more of the the last one, than the first two
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    Quote Originally Posted by This Charming Manc View Post
    Well seeing as language needs to mean the same thing for both the speaker and the hearer for it to work we have definitions. Usually held in dictionary's

    Terrorism

    The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

    You seem to be wishing to remove that last part from the standard definition. Your reasons maybe laudable and I think well motivated, but I must disagree.
    Then give me a better word.
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    Doing nothing, is not an option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by This Charming Manc View Post
    I wish we could and life was that simple but its not.

    But just because we cant eliminate one evil, does not mean we should ignore what can be done about another.

    The UK murder rate is 0.98 per 100,000 population, the US is 4.88 per 100,000 population the main difference is guns.

    Obfuscate and insult all you want, but you blindly defend a system that needlessly kills Americans.
    When you've first perfected your society, you will have earned the credibility to criticize others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    When you've first perfected your society, you will have earned the credibility to criticize others.
    Looked in the mirror lately?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    Then give me a better word.
    evil, barbaric, senseless, slaughter, meaningless, vicious, repugnant ... do I need to add more?
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