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    Mississippi and Alabama have a Church Protection Act allowing senior church officials to be armed for security measures.

    https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Up...Protection-Act
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    An air force guy who was dishonorably discharged.
    Devin Kelly.

    26 dead, plus the shooter.
    20 injured.

    14 year old daughter of the pastor was killed.

    A pregnant woman with 3 children was killed.

    God Bless America

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Mississippi and Alabama have a Church Protection Act allowing senior church officials to be armed for security measures.

    https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Up...Protection-Act
    There was a law in Mississippi saying you couldn't carry in church, even if you had a permit. I don't know why you have that law in the first place. If you trust someone with a gun, then you trust them with a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Devin Kelly.

    26 dead, plus the shooter.
    20 injured.

    14 year old daughter of the pastor was killed.

    A pregnant woman with 3 children was killed.
    It's terrorism, this is a terrorist attack; all these things are terrorist attacks. We're under attack. We know what the whole rest of the world has done in the face of similar terrorism; they have all folded and surrendered to terrorism. Are Americans going to do the same? Are we just going to be the last, stubborn hold-outs before joining everybody else? England, Australia, all the rest of Europe .. or are we going to not [let] the terrorists determine our policy?
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    Kelley, 26, served from 2010 until 2014 and worked in the logistics readiness department at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, said Air Force spokeswoman Ann Stefanek.
    Kelley was court-martialed in 2012 on charges of assault on his spouse and on their child.
    Kelley received a bad conduct discharge, confinement for twelve months and a reduction of his military status.



    I love this next part.



    Martin said the suspect was found dead in his truck after running off the road near the county line after fleeing and being fired upon at the church by a resident.
    Investigators are unsure whether the resident killed the suspect or he killed himself.



    See what happens when someone has a gun that will shoot back at ya.
    Us country raised TEXANS will chase you down and end you!

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    [QUOTE=Nihilo;5124115]It's terrorism, this is a terrorist attack; all these things are terrorist attacks. We're under attack. We know what the whole rest of the world has done in the face of similar terrorism; they have all folded and surrendered to terrorism. Are Americans going to do the same? Are we just going to be the last, stubborn hold-outs before joining everybody else? England, Australia, all the rest of Europe .. or are we going to not let let the terrorists determine our policy?[/QUOTE]I vote for this part.

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    Just heard that the church was recording their worship service when the shooting took place.

    Don't know if it will ever be posted publically, as it could be very disturbing to the victims families.

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    [QUOTE=Tambora;5124127]
    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    It's terrorism, this is a terrorist attack; all these things are terrorist attacks. We're under attack. We know what the whole rest of the world has done in the face of similar terrorism; they have all folded and surrendered to terrorism. Are Americans going to do the same? Are we just going to be the last, stubborn hold-outs before joining everybody else? England, Australia, all the rest of Europe .. or are we going to not let let the terrorists determine our policy?[/QUOTE]I vote for this part.
    While I totally get this and agree with it, haven't we already let terrorists determine our policy? I mean Patriot Act {nothing Patriot about it), the TSA (where sexual perverts thrive} etc...so until we do something about that, are we not going to be barking up the wrong tree?
    Contrary to what many Americans seem to think, the document we now call "the Constitution" and the Declaration of Independence are not pretty much the same thing or "connected in spirit," or "two sides of the same coin." The two documents were written by two different groups of people at two different times to accomplish two totally different goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    While I totally get this and agree with it, haven't we already let terrorists determine our policy? I mean Patriot Act {nothing Patriot about it), the TSA (where sexual perverts thrive} etc...
    Yes.
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    so until we do something about that, are we not going to be barking up the wrong tree?
    I don't know what else to say, besides continuing to repeat the truth. This is terrorism, and let's not permit terrorists to make our policy for us. Let's have courage and be brave and righteous. Instead of cowardly and immoral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    It's terrorism, this is a terrorist attack; all these things are terrorist attacks. We're under attack. We know what the whole rest of the world has done in the face of similar terrorism; they have all folded and surrendered to terrorism. Are Americans going to do the same? Are we just going to be the last, stubborn hold-outs before joining everybody else? England, Australia, all the rest of Europe .. or are we going to not [let] the terrorists determine our policy?
    Our conservative friends are quick to jump to the conclusion that this was perpetrated by "terrorists" and the country needs to take action!

    The reality, however, is that it was not perpetrated by some foreign terrorist, but a former member of the Air Force who received a discharge for "bad behaviour" for assault and served jail time!

    Given that this yet another in a long list of tragic domestic incidents, that doesn't appear to be terrorist inspired, but the result of a disturbed citizen having access to semi-automatic weapons, conservatives will all express their sincere condolences and then proceed to sit on their collective hands rather than address the underlying issues!

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    I keep seeing people blaming a guy by the last name of Kelly for shooting a bunch of people. Wow. When will you get things right? This shooting was done by a gun. It loaded itself. Drove itself to the church. Got out of the car and walked itself around firing itself, and then kept on reloading itself. It then entered the church and kept on aiming and firing itself. Until another gun, all by itself, shot the gun originally causing all the problems.

    This was all done by guns. This gun was a homicidal maniacal gun that was put out of its misery by a good gun.

    People had nothing to do with this massacre or the stopping of it. It was all just the guns. They are the entire problem. People can't be evil. Only guns can be evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    I keep seeing people blaming a guy by the last name of Kelly for shooting a bunch of people. Wow. When will you get things right? This shooting was done by a gun. It loaded itself. Drove itself to the church. Got out of the car and walked itself around firing itself, and then kept on reloading itself. It then entered the church and kept on aiming and firing itself. Until another gun, all by itself, shot the gun originally causing all the problems.

    This was all done by guns. This gun was a homicidal maniacal gun that was put out of its misery by a good gun.

    People had nothing to do with this massacre or the stopping of it. It was all just the guns. They are the entire problem. People can't be evil. Only guns can be evil.
    If this had been perpetrated by an Islamic "terrorist," the President, Republican Congress and their supporters would all be demanding immediate action!

    When it brings into question the wisdom of allowing the proliferation of semi-automatic weapons that can provide just one misguided American with the opportunity to kill/wound 100's of innocent men, women and children, however, all we receive are excuses to justify the "status quo!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    There was a law in Mississippi saying you couldn't carry in church, even if you had a permit. I don't know why you have that law in the first place. If you trust someone with a gun, then you trust them with a gun.
    The shooter was trusted to have a gun. Everyone who has a gun is trusted with a gun until they shoot someone unlawfully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    I keep seeing people blaming a guy by the last name of Kelly for shooting a bunch of people. Wow. When will you get things right? This shooting was done by a gun. It loaded itself. Drove itself to the church. Got out of the car and walked itself around firing itself, and then kept on reloading itself. It then entered the church and kept on aiming and firing itself. Until another gun, all by itself, shot the gun originally causing all the problems.

    This was all done by guns. This gun was a homicidal maniacal gun that was put out of its misery by a good gun.

    People had nothing to do with this massacre or the stopping of it. It was all just the guns. They are the entire problem. People can't be evil. Only guns can be evil.
    Exactly, when are people going to learn. People are not the problem it's GUNS all the way down!!

    If we all had guns then no one would shoot anyone, when are the governments going to start giving us free guns. This problem isn't going to go away until we ALL get more guns and ammo.

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