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    Quote Originally Posted by jsanford108 View Post
    No, cars are much worse.
    Cars: Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day.
    An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled.

    Guns: 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (Note that deaths do not include intent), 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries.

    So, cars are much worse than guns. And we allow 16 year-olds to operate cars.
    You're an insane idiot if you truly believe that rational and only an insane idiot could think pro-gun laws make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
    You're an insane idiot if you truly believe that rational and only an insane idiot could think pro-gun laws make sense.
    Do you think you just made a rational argument?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    Do you think you just made a rational argument?
    Go and see how far your gun gets you on your next journey, instead of your usual mode of transport and then talk to me about rationality

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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
    You're an insane idiot if you truly believe that rational and only an insane idiot could think pro-gun laws make sense.
    So, I am insane for believing in factual statistics? Okay.

    There is literally only one "pro gun law," and it is the second right assured to the U.S. people. All other "guns laws" are restrictive, in order to ensure safety. Even concealed carry laws, which I am sure you would label as "pro gun" (which I am positive you know nothing about), are for the safety of the carrier and those around them.

    It seems that your issue is not with my rationale, but with my position being based on facts, as well as the facts themselves; which are inconvenient for your false assertions and tyrannical position.



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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
    You're an insane idiot if you truly believe that rational and only an insane idiot could think pro-gun laws make sense.
    You resort to name calling and character bashing when the facts, statistics, and logic disproved your illogical position. This is more telling of the character of yourself, your rationale, and the agenda that you push; when facts disprove you, just assault the opponent and dismiss logic, facts, and reason.

    I was attempting to have an open and honest discussion; but you just don't like factual statements and claims because they are detrimental to your position.



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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    Do you think you just made a rational argument?
    Hilarious and honest observation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jsanford108 View Post
    You resort to name calling and character bashing when the facts, statistics, and logic disproved your illogical position. This is more telling of the character of yourself, your rationale, and the agenda that you push; when facts disprove you, just assault the opponent and dismiss logic, facts, and reason.

    I was attempting to have an open and honest discussion; but you just don't like factual statements and claims because they are detrimental to your position.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jsanford108 View Post
    No, cars are much worse.
    Cars: Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day.
    An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled.

    Guns: 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (Note that deaths do not include intent), 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries.

    So, cars are much worse than guns. And we allow 16 year-olds to operate cars.


    Cars may be a necessary evil in a modern democracy - guns, especially assault weapons, were designed with an evil intent and are not a necessity in a civil society.

    Automobiles and every other product manufactured in America are subject to government regulation to protect the public - firearms (but not toy guns) are exempt from such safety regulations.

    Unlike the auto industry, the "gun lobby" has even gone as far as even curtailing government financed studies as to the impact of firearms on American society - apparently ignorance is bliss!

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    Th question you want to ask yourself is should the USA be in a list with all of those countries or in a list with

    Australia, UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Canada, etc

    I see the USA as a mature industrialised democracy which deserves to be in above that list.

    If you think two places better than Somalia in terms of murder rates as where the USA ought to we have very different ideas on where america sits in the world.

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    " UNODC murder rates (per 100,000 inhabitants). Most recent year UNODC has published Country (or dependent territory,
    subnational area, etc.)

    El Salvador 108.64
    Honduras 63.75
    Venezuela 57.15
    United States Virgin Islands (US) 52.64
    Jamaica 43.21
    Lesotho 38.00
    Belize 34.40
    South Africa 34.27
    Saint Kitts and Nevis 33.55
    Guatemala 31.21
    Trinidad and Tobago 30.88
    Bahamas 29.81
    Anguilla (UK) 27.66
    Brazil 26.74
    Colombia 26.50
    Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 25.61
    Saint Lucia 21.56
    Montserrat (UK) 20.39
    Tuvalu 20.28
    Guyana 19.42
    Dominican Republic 17.39
    Namibia 16.93
    Mexico 16.35
    Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France) 15.94
    Puerto Rico (US) 15.86
    Cayman Islands (UK) 14.74
    South Sudan 13.70
    Democratic Republic of the Congo 13.36
    French Guiana (France) 13.17
    Central African Republic 13.09
    Greenland (Denmark) 12.46
    Bolivia 12.40
    Uganda 11.84
    Ivory Coast 11.84
    Costa Rica 11.77
    Nicaragua 11.49
    Panama 11.38
    Russia 11.31
    Antigua and Barbuda 11.23
    Barbados 10.91
    Republic of the Congo 10.88
    Mali 10.82
    Suriname 10.68
    Botswana 10.53
    Papua New Guinea 10.42
    Mauritania 10.22
    Haiti 10.04
    Philippines 9.84
    Nigeria 9.79
    Angola 9.65
    Paraguay 9.29
    Guinea-Bissau 9.17
    Togo 9.14
    Gambia 9.07
    Chad 9.02
    Gabon 9.00
    Cape Verde 8.84
    Guinea 8.46
    Uruguay 8.42
    Dominica 8.40
    British Virgin Islands (UK) 8.37
    Ecuador 8.23
    Swaziland 8.16
    Qatar 8.10
    Iraq 8.0
    Guadeloupe (France) 7.90
    Pakistan 7.81
    Comoros 7.60
    Ethiopia 7.60
    Grenada 7.52
    Kiribati 7.50
    Eritrea 7.46
    Senegal 7.30
    Mongolia 7.23
    Peru 7.16
    Tanzania 7.01
    Laos 6.87
    Djibouti 6.77
    Zimbabwe 6.74
    Yemen 6.67
    Turks and Caicos Islands (UK) 6.61
    Afghanistan 6.55
    Argentina 6.53
    Sudan 6.45
    Bermuda (UK) 6.45
    Benin 6.01
    Lithuania 5.98
    Mayotte (France) 5.93
    Cameroon 5.93
    Zambia 5.85
    Kenya 5.75
    Somalia 5.56
    Kyrgyzstan 5.12
    United States 4.88
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    I'm a very strong gun control advocate, and i'm not sure what you think your achieving here.

    Your rude and insulting posts only make people dig in further and your arguments are as well developed as the worst of the pro gun lobbyists.

    You will have ridiculous positions argued against you here, chill and respond to them with patience and reason. If not please be quiet because all you do is peraaude people that they are right.


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    You're an insane idiot if you truly believe that rational and only an insane idiot could think pro-gun laws make sense.
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    After all these years of arguing against it you still haven't understood the premise of UK and Australian gun control and why it works.

    Its is not about allowing people including criminals to access guns and limiting what they do with them by statue. I would agree with you that is pretty futile.

    But it is about creating a situation where there is a very limited supply of guns for criminals and law abiding citizens and reducing the amount of gun crime due to undermining the supply.

    All the figures from the UK and Australia would suggest its an more effective technique than ensuring everyone has lots of guns.

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    And the regulation that takes guns away from the good guys is ignored by criminals.

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    Im not arguing with you on this point because i think you know how ridiculous you are being, and your know your just scoring points and making facetious arguments to hide what the figures are clearly showing.

    I think you are much brighter than the arguments you just made.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    So you're just guessing.

    Did you look at the legal definitions of murder and how they might affect the numbers?

    We're not talking about death.


    What wild assumptions? You declared guns to be the "main difference" between the homicide rates in the UK and the US. I asked you to defend your assertion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by This Charming Manc View Post
    All the figures from the UK and Australia would suggest its an more effective technique than ensuring everyone has lots of guns.
    If you remove all the guns, people cannot use them.

    I'm not arguing with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
    You're an insane idiot if you truly believe that rational and only an insane idiot could think pro-gun laws make sense.
    Have you seen this?

    Dr Susan Gratia-Hupp - Survivor of the 1991 Kileen TX Lubys Shooting Massacre

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKMAbC1-d2I

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    Quote Originally Posted by everready View Post
    Have you seen this?

    Dr Susan Gratia-Hupp - Survivor of the 1991 Kileen TX Lubys Shooting Massacre

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKMAbC1-d2I

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    Now that was powerful. Great find and great post.

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