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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    Because she is accusing a Republican ...
    Exactly. Although I'd add "Non-establishment Republican." Bannon will go after both Democrats and establishment Republicans in his efforts to "deconstruct the administrative state."

    Because while Breitbart's got two reporters on the job of discrediting this woman whose allegations against Moore have been corroborated by other people, the headline at Breitbart right now reads:

    Sixth Accuser: Woman Claims George H.W. Bush Groped Her When ‘I Was a Child’


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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Exactly. Although I'd add "Non-establishment Republican." Bannon will go after both Democrats and establishment Republicans in his efforts to "deconstruct the administrative state."

    Because while Breitbart's got two reporters on the job of discrediting this woman whose allegations against Moore have been corroborated by other people, the headline at Breitbart right now reads:

    Sixth Accuser: Woman Claims George H.W. Bush Groped Her When ‘I Was a Child’


    The ironic part is that you will continue to hear the cries of "why didn't she step forwards sooner!" We all know it has nothing whatsoever with victimizing the VICTIMS.
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    When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics."
    When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty
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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    I'm not sure about that, but you know what there definitely are?
    Why are you not sure?
    You don't think anyone would lie about it?
    I do.

    People who will smear accusers to help abusers to get out of a bad situation. And then there are folks who will believe abusers and the people who make excuses for them and smears tactically deployed against victims if those abusers are people that they like.
    I believe there are folks like that too, and it too should be a concern.


    What I don't believe is that all accused are guilty, and all accusers are innocent.
    So I'm sceptical when accusations arise and I do not want to fall into the trap of "accusations are all that is needed to prison someone".
    That would be a terrible solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    What I don't believe is that all accused are guilty, and all accusers are innocent.
    So I'm sceptical when accusations arise and I do not want to fall into the trap of "accusations are all that is needed to prison someone".
    That would be a terrible solution.
    You're just un-American.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Why are you not sure?
    You don't think anyone would lie about it?
    I do.
    I think it's exceedingly rare, given the typical cost to the accusers, who stand to lose friends, colleagues, opportunities, etc. Especially when they aren't suing. What do they stand to gain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    I believe there are folks like that too, and it too should be a concern.


    What I don't believe is that all accused are guilty, and all accusers are innocent.
    So I'm sceptical when accusations arise and I do not want to fall into the trap of "accusations are all that is needed to prison someone".
    That would be a terrible solution.
    30 sources, on the record (meaning asserting the allegations publicly using their names). They include victims, and friends of victims, their stories show a consistent pattern, and they don't know each other.

    It's a pretty solid story.
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    You're just un-American.
    ha!

    We can make America great again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    I think it's exceedingly rare, given the typical cost to the accusers, who stand to lose friends, colleagues, opportunities, etc. Especially when they aren't suing. What do they stand to gain?
    I don't think it is an everyday occurrence either.
    But it does happen.
    We shouldn't act like it doesn't happen.



    30 sources, on the record (meaning asserting the allegations publicly using their names). They include victims, and friends of victims, their stories show a consistent pattern, and they don't know each other.

    It's a pretty solid story.
    Right. He could very well be guilty of all accusations or just some accusations.
    He should only be found guilty for the accusations that are true.

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    Seen elsewhere on the net:


    Convincing 14-year-old to undress and touch you when you're a 32-year-old deputy DA: let's reserve judgment

    Convincing the former 14-year-old to talk about it years later: THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
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    Facebook post from Mary Jo West, friend of the family of Leigh Corfman:

    https://www.facebook.com/mary.j.west...03838739404931

    I need to say something, not because I want to get political, but because I know the truth and I need to tell it.

    The now-national story about Roy Moore and Leigh Corfman is true, and I have known it for over 20 years. Leigh’s mother and step-father have been friends of mine since 1992 and I know them to be the best of people. We don’t share the same political beliefs but we love and respect each other on a level deeper than politics and these wonderful friends tell the truth. They are caring and educated and accomplished people who would choose privacy over headlines any day.

    Leigh’s mother told me and others “The Roy Moore Story” in the mid-1990s, because her daughter had finally unburdened herself after years of silence and that burden lay dark and deep on a mother’s shoulders and in that mother’s heart. I listened to the same details as those that are printed now, and while some of the story has faded with time, several facts are seared into my brain: 1) the attacker was attorney Roy Moore and the victim was then teenager Leigh Corfman; 2) Roy Moore got Leigh to his house under false pretenses; 3) Roy Moore made overt sexual advances to Leigh which involved Roy Moore coming out of the bathroom undressed and ready for action; 4) Leigh was terrified and had the good sense to say NO and Roy Moore accepted her NO.

    During Roy Moore’s political ascent, I’ve almost called Leigh’s mother many times to suggest that they expose who Roy Moore is at his core, but I realize that this story is Leigh’s to tell… no one else’s. Why has she not exposed him before now? Perhaps because no one likes being called a liar – and she is being called that now. Perhaps because that secret was safer locked away from the pain that she must be reliving now and having to deal with all over again.

    Whatever it is, it is NOT a political conspiracy. Leigh’s parents bleed Republican red as long as I have known them…and Leigh says she has voted Republican in the last three elections. While this story has the “He said, She said” element, surely the counterbalance on the scales in Leigh’s favor is US…the group of friends who knew the story before it was a headline. There was simply no reason for Leigh to make this story up when she was young and trying to figure out life. Roy Moore’s terrifying advances surely had to complicate the path that she admitted was filled with choices she would like to redo. She owned them, admirably, but I wonder if some of her young years might have been easier if she hadn’t been abused by Roy Moore when she was 14 years old, vulnerable and confused.

    Perhaps it’s simply that it’s time to shout from the rooftops that this man, Roy Moore…who wants our nation’s trust and our belief that he is a good man... simply doesn’t deserve our trust. He lied yesterday when he said he had never met Leigh Corfman. Maybe he’s gotten too old to act on his abnormal urges now, but in his heart, he still knows that when he could, he scared and emotionally scarred young women and in that chamber of his heart, his blood still runs mean and cold.

    I believe in redemption and forgiveness. I’ve asked for forgiveness many times in my life, but first, you have to acknowledge that you did something wrong. And yesterday Roy Moore stood staunch and unyielding that he did no wrong. Take a lie detector test, Mr. Moore. There’s nothing fake in this story. Roy Moore is lying. This story happened and it was shared mother-to-mother with no agenda other than to get it off her chest and share her agony. Women friends do that, thankfully. Leigh’s mother told me this story when Roy Moore was a nobody…now he’s just a lying somebody.

    Just because Leigh Corfman didn’t come forward and tell this horrific story about a bad man until now, doesn’t mean that it never happened. It’s her story. Yes, it was a long time coming, but she told her own story on her own timeline. The swelling tides filled with the tears of victimized women’s deep dark secrets can no longer return to the sea. There are many of us standing with you, Leigh, saying “Good for You”, and “Me Too”. #NoMoore
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    And let's not let get lost in all of this that there's one member of this forum who's on the record in this thread as saying that a 32-year-old groping a 14-year-old girl's breast and guiding her hand on his private parts is "not even a case of molestation."

    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Plus, it's not even a case of molestation, the worst I have heard ALLEGED about Moore was touching a bra and guiding a hand over his underwear. As I noted earlier, I saw aCW say that the "14 year old" has credibility issues including her age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    And let's not let get lost in all of this that there's one member of this forum who's on the record in this thread as saying that a 32-year-old groping a 14-year-old girl's breast and guiding her hand on his private parts is "not even a case of molestation."
    Patrick needs to get a grip...

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    So we should just automatically believe all accusations made are true?
    I don't like that idea at all.

    I don't think anyone here doesn't think Moore is a sleeze, and I certainly am not against him being locked up for any molestation that can be proven.
    Our laws demand proof.

    We have all heard about stories of both sides of this issue.
    We know they exist, both men that are guilty of molestation and men that have been accused but are not guilty.

    Molestation is hard to prove at times because it boils down to a he-said she-said, especially if there is no eye witness to the actual assault.
    It is tragic that most will get away with it because of that.
    But proof is still what we should require to convict.

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    Another woman has come forward:

    Beverly Young Nelson said that Roy Moore sexually assaulted her when she was 16 years old, making her the fifth woman to publicly accuse Moore of initiating a sexual or romantic relationship with her as a teenager.

    Nelson said she feared Moore was going to try to rape her and she began crying as he assaulted her.

    "I was not going to allow him to force me to have sex with him," Nelson said. "I was terrified. I thought he was going to rape me. At some point, he gave up and he looked at me and he told me, 'You're just a child,' and he said, 'I am the District Attorney and if you tell anyone about this, no one will ever believe you.'"
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