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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    That encompasses quite a few things. Including that He would be King of Israel and sit on His throne in Jerusalem. Also that He would rejoin the two houses of Israel into one.
    Can we agree Paul preached the "good news" of Christ.

    2 Cor. 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ:
    Wretched man that I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    Can we agree Paul preached the "good news" of Christ.

    2 Cor. 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ:
    Indeed, Paul was given the manifold wisdom of God.

    Eph 3:7-12 (AKJV/PCE)
    (3:7) Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. (3:8) Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; (3:9) And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: (3:10) To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly [places] might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, (3:11) According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: (3:12) In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

    So much so that he could "fulfill the word of God".

    Col 1:25-29 (AKJV/PCE)
    (1:25) Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; (1:26) [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: (1:27) To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: (1:28) Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: (1:29) Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

    There was something missing from the word of God that Paul completed. Something that was "hid in God" from the beginning of the world.

    Churchianity has the unfortunate habit of reading Paul's revelation back into the writings that came before, instead of understanding them as the actual revelation that they were.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Indeed, Paul was given the manifold wisdom of God.

    Eph 3:7-12 (AKJV/PCE)
    (3:7) Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. (3:8) Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; (3:9) And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: (3:10) To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly [places] might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, (3:11) According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: (3:12) In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
    I understand what was hid, Paul tells us in the prior verses that it was the Gentiles would be fellow heirs.
    Eph. 3:6 This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.


    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    So much so that he could "fulfill the word of God".

    Col 1:25-29 (AKJV/PCE)
    (1:25) Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; (1:26) [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: (1:27) To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: (1:28) Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: (1:29) Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

    There was something missing from the word of God that Paul completed. Something that was "hid in God" from the beginning of the world.

    Churchianity has the unfortunate habit of reading Paul's revelation back into the writings that came before, instead of understanding them as the actual revelation that they were.
    That fulfilled could be carrying it out.
    Gal. 6:2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

    When I have more time I will look at it from your view point.
    Wretched man that I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    I understand what was hid, Paul tells us in the prior verses that it was the Gentiles would be fellow heirs.
    Eph. 3:6 This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
    Fellow-heirs with CHRIST.

    Rom 8:17 (AKJV/PCE)
    (8:17) And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.

    You will not find that in the OT.

    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    That fulfilled could be carrying it out.
    Gal. 6:2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
    Paul did not say "fulfill the law" in Colossians. He said fulfill the WORD OF GOD. He is referring to scripture.

    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    When I have more time I will look at it from your view point.
    Cool.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    The list: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...quot-list-quot Great Bible software: http://www.theword.net/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    That encompasses quite a few things. Including that He would be King of Israel and sit on His throne in Jerusalem. Also that He would rejoin the two houses of Israel into one.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    The death of Jesus body and being raised already did that.
    No, it hasn't been done.
    Christ's work on the cross and resurrection provides for and assures that it will in the future be done.

    Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

    Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    good day, dear.
    not for you unless you trust the Lord believing 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV as the all sufficient work of your salvation...dear.

    2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

    2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    You cannot be saved, believing as you do.
    Morelike, believing not "as you do"...

    2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
    2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    No, I always neg JWs.
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    Where is the lie in what she wrote?
    We do not "have to repent of our sins to be forgiven for our sins." Forgiveness of sins was 2000 years ago when "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them" (2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV).
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    No one made Cornelius and anyone in his household get circumcised!

    Hi and in Romans , Cornelius was already CIRCUMCISED before he met Peter !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Paul spent three days without drinking and eating begging for forgiveness.

    Acts 9:9 For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything.

    11 ... for he is praying.

    Hi and where in Acts 9:9 is Paul PRAYING FOR FORGIVENESS ??

    The only verse that I se Paul is PRAYING is in verse 11 !!

    If I missed that , show me where OR do you like to add to verses against Paul ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Fellow-heirs with CHRIST.

    Rom 8:17 (AKJV/PCE)
    (8:17) And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.

    You will not find that in the OT.
    I agree.


    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Paul did not say "fulfill the law" in Colossians. He said fulfill the WORD OF GOD. He is referring to scripture.
    The way I understand Paul is talking about fulfilling his ministry in preaching it to the Gentiles.
    Col. 1:25 of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known,

    Like he says here:
    Rom. 15:16 to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit. 17 In Christ Jesus, then, I have reason to be proud of my work for God. 18 For I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me to bring the Gentiles to obedience—by word and deed, 19 by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God—so that from Jerusalem and all the way around to Illyricum I have fulfilled the ministry of the gospel of Christ;

    I don't see how a man can complete God's word other than revealing it but I don't see anything Paul revealed that wasn't already revealed.
    Wretched man that I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Indeed, Paul was given the manifold wisdom of God.

    Eph 3:7-12 (AKJV/PCE)
    (3:7) Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. (3:8) Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; (3:9) And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: (3:10) To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly [places] might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, (3:11) According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: (3:12) In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

    So much so that he could "fulfill the word of God".

    Col 1:25-29 (AKJV/PCE)
    (1:25) Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; (1:26) [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: (1:27) To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: (1:28) Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: (1:29) Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

    There was something missing from the word of God that Paul completed. Something that was "hid in God" from the beginning of the world.

    Churchianity has the unfortunate habit of reading Paul's revelation back into the writings that came before, instead of understanding them as the actual revelation that they were.
    Something that was missing from the WORD YOU SAY?!!! Paul COMPLETED the WORD?!!!

    I can hardly believe that you said that, and then you have the nerve to make Paul the responsible party for your misunderstanding.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    I am keeping that ^ from RightDivider. How can anyone live that down if not by REPENTING? Help yourself, RD, and repent for saying that.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    No, it hasn't been done.
    Christ's work on the cross and resurrection provides for and assures that it will in the future be done.
    You are wrong!

    Christ's BODY reconciled all things to him.


    Ephesians 2:16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.

    Colossians 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—

    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

    Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

    That Acts scripture IS speaking about WHAT ALREADY HAPPENED when Jesus came the first time!
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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