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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi and the Greek word SAVED / SOZO can mean , saved from , SUFFERING . SICKNESS , DANGER , and EVEN FUTURE DELIVERANCE and even more !!

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    What kind of saved was Cornelius?
    Wretched man that I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Yikes. I can't believe you preach like that and about things that just are not so.
    Perhaps you should investigate further.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Because it was not done yet.

    Paul doesn't start preaching to the Gentiles until Acts 13.
    Perhaps you should investigate further.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    Perhaps you should investigate further.
    I know God's Truth. I have investigated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    I agree Cornelius was after Paul was called but Paul wasn't the first to preach to the Gentiles.
    How do you know that Paul was not preaching to Gentiles before Peter went to Cornelius?

    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    Because it was hidden.
    So this was hidden?

    Matt 28:19-20 (AKJV/PCE)
    (28:19) ¶ Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (28:20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    My understanding is, God set the Jews apart in the OT as a physical representation of what we have under the new.

    Old: Jew's Gods people, everyone else not.
    New: Christians God's people, everyone else not.
    Under the old covenant, Gentiles could still join with Israel and be considered as one born in the land.

    Under no covenant at all, Christians today are neither Jew nor Greek.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    I know God's Truth. I have investigated.
    Oh.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    How do you know that Paul was not preaching to Gentiles before Peter went to Cornelius?


    So this was hidden?

    Matt 28:19-20 (AKJV/PCE)
    (28:19) ¶ Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (28:20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.


    Under the old covenant, Gentiles could still join with Israel and be considered as one born in the land.

    Under no covenant at all, Christians today are neither Jew nor Greek.
    So what mystery do you think was hidden?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    How do you know that Paul was not preaching to Gentiles before Peter went to Cornelius?
    I don't see it in scripture but I do see this.
    Acts 15:7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.


    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    So this was hidden?

    Matt 28:19-20 (AKJV/PCE)
    (28:19) ¶ Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (28:20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.
    Yes and no. Just as Jesus told them he would die and rise again they didn't see it until it was revealed to them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Under the old covenant, Gentiles could still join with Israel and be considered as one born in the land.
    Yes, but the law was to the Jews and for the Jews. God set them apart.
    Wretched man that I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    I don't see it in scripture but I do see this.
    Acts 15:7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
    Nothing about who was first there. Why isn't Peter the apostle of the gentiles? Romans 11:13

    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    Yes and no. Just as Jesus told them he would die and rise again they didn't see it until it was revealed to them.
    Another VERY far stretch there.

    In the other case the Bible tells us it was hid from them, but not here.

    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    Yes, but the law was to the Jews and for the Jews. God set them apart.
    Indeed He did. But gentiles could still join WITH them as one born in the land.

    In the dispensation of the grace of God there is NEITHER Jew NOR Greek.

    That's a pretty obvious difference.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Under no covenant at all, Christians today are neither Jew nor Greek.
    This is another thing I'm having trouble understanding. Based on what I read, Jesus did establish the new covenant.

    Hebrews lays out there is a new covenant/law established.
    Heb. 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

    Heb. 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

    Heb. 10:1 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near.

    Heb. 10:19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, 20 by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God,

    Jesus did all of these things.



    All the faithful of old did not receive what we have in Jesus.
    Heb. 11:39 And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40 since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.
    Wretched man that I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Indeed He did. But gentiles could still join WITH them as one born in the land.
    God has also always been God of the Gentiles, Nineveh would be a good example. To help us understand what we have in Christ, he set the Jews apart and gave them his word. In Romans when Paul talks about the difference between them, that is the only advantage I see.


    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    In the dispensation of the grace of God there is NEITHER Jew NOR Greek.

    That's a pretty obvious difference.
    I agree in Christ (church) there is neither Jew nor Greek. If the lost become Christian, they become God's children just like a Gentile in the OT converting to Judaism.
    Wretched man that I am.

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    Paul is speaking to the Corinthian Gentiles. Paul says he is a minister of a NEW COVENANT.


    2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

    The Greater Glory of the New Covenant

    7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!


    Paul says he is a MINISTER of a NEW COVENANT, and that it is THE MINISTRY/COVENANT of the SPIRIT.

    Paul even had the Gentiles do remembrance of the last supper where Jesus made the covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Paul is speaking to the Corinthian Gentiles. Paul says he is a minister of a NEW COVENANT.


    2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

    The Greater Glory of the New Covenant

    7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!


    Paul says he is a MINISTER of a NEW COVENANT, and that it is THE MINISTRY/COVENANT of the SPIRIT.

    Paul even had the Gentiles do remembrance of the last supper where Jesus made the covenant.

    Hi and that is not so , as DIATHEKE has many meanings , like , COVENANT , ARRANGEMENT , AGREEMENT , COMPACT and WILL !!

    The NEW COVENANT was given to Israel in Heb 8:8 !!

    Now explain what is in the NEW COVENANT if you now ??

    Ezek 36:24-38 and learn what it means !

    dan p

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi and that is not so , as DIATHEKE has many meanings , like , COVENANT , ARRANGEMENT , AGREEMENT , COMPACT and WILL !!

    The NEW COVENANT was given to Israel in Heb 8:8 !!

    Now explain what is in the NEW COVENANT if you now ??

    Ezek 36:24-38 and learn what it means !

    dan p
    What don't you get about Paul having Gentiles do the Lord's supper?

    Everyone who believes in Jesus cleaning them of their sins are the ones who enter the Covenant of his blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    What don't you get about Paul having Gentiles do the Lord's supper?

    Everyone who believes in Jesus cleaning them of their sins are the ones who enter the Covenant of his blood.
    Hi and there are 2 Lord's suppers !!


    One is found in Matt 26:17-30 and is called the PASSOVER in verse 17 !!

    And verse 29 , they will not drink it nor eat the PASSOVER until that day when I drink it a new with YOU in my Father's kingdom !

    They will drink a new in the MEILLINNIAL KINGDOM !!


    The other Lord's supper in in 1 Cor 11:23-34 where there are bounds to how the it is taken and many DIED and were SICK when they took it UNWORTHILY and is ONLY for the B O C !!

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