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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    Ludicrous. Depicting Trump as Jesus.
    It's depicting Trump as the chosen one - Jesus' candidate of choice - which is exactly how many evangelical fundamentalists saw (and still see) Trump, despite all his obvious deficits.

    And many conservatives and most politically-conservative Christians see Clinton as being from Satan. We see that right here at TOL.

    The Russians have a long history of psychological warfare, and they played on both evangelical fear and that evangelical need to know that God is protecting America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    It's depicting Trump as the chosen one - Jesus' candidate of choice - which is exactly how many evangelical fundamentalists saw (and still see) Trump. And many conservatives and most politically-conservative Christians see Clinton as being from Satan. We see that right here at TOL.
    This falls in the realm of calling evil good.

    The Russians have a long history of psychological warfare, and they played on both evangelical fear and that evangelical need to know that God is protecting America.
    Oddly enough,. Conservatives and evangelicals use to preach and stand against the evil known as Putin. America, thanks to Trump, is teetering on the edge of destruction.

    FTR, I am not claiming Clinton is pure, but rather capable and ... sane.
    As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes."
    When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics."
    When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty
    -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    This falls in the realm of calling evil good.
    Pretty much. Have you seen any of Trump's interview with Pat ("You inspire us all") Robertson?

    Oddly enough,. Conservatives and evangelicals use to preach and stand against the evil known as Putin.
    This is what has amazed me all along. Reagan conservatives and earlier - 1980s and earlier - would they have admired Putin and dismissed concerns about his intents? No way. Now? "Russia is our friend!"

    FTR, I am not claiming Clinton is pure, but rather capable and ... sane.
    Exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post

    This is what has amazed me all along. Reagan conservatives...
    Except that Ronald Reagan wasn't a conservative. The same people who drank Reagan's kool aid are drinking Trump's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Except that Ronald Reagan wasn't a conservative. The same people who drank Reagan's kool aid are drinking Trump's.
    Oh please ... the two cannot be compared. While Reagan was not perfect, he was sane and did display decency. There is nothing decent, moral or sane about Trump.
    As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes."
    When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics."
    When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty
    -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.
    - ABRAHAM LINCOLN, letter to Joshua F. Speed, August 22, 1855





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    LOL. You can keep on claiming I'm a libertarian all you want. I'm not for legalizing drugs. I'm not for legalizing abortion. I'm not for legalizing sodomy. I'm not for legalizing pedophelia. I'm not for any of those things. And, I have yet to see a libertarian against any of those things except for pedophelia.

    Would you explain how having laws against immoral behavior (abortion, homosexuality/adult-child sex, incest, bestiality, recreational drug use, prostitution, etc. etc.) amounts to "totalitarianism"?
    It seems you cannot be honest in your discussion. It seems to be completely beyond your ability. I have never said laws about any of those things should not exist. I have said it is not illegal to talk about them, nor should it be. Speech about abortion is not the actual act of either performing an abortion nor having a baby aborted.

    I have a step daughter who at the age of 17 was convinced by her supposed boyfriend that she should abort the child he impregnated her with. Should she have been thrown in jail for talking about it? That is what you are seeking. That speech be criminalized. You are a totalitarian without a doubt.

    I am for the free discussion of ideas, for only by that can the public mindset be changed. You cannot change anyone's mind by incarcerating them for talking about ideas. All you can do by doing that is create a state such as the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, etc... where any and all political dissent(thought and speech) is cause for getting thrown in jail, "re-educated", and tortured. In my eyes you're a fool who has no idea what he is actually advocating.

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    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    Except that Ronald Reagan wasn't a conservative. The same people who drank Reagan's kool aid are drinking Trump's.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    Oh please ... the two cannot be compared. While Reagan was not perfect, he was sane and did display decency. There is nothing decent, moral or sane about Trump.
    While Donald Trump has been a very valuable asset to the LGBTQ/abortion movements ("Obergefell v Hodges is the law of the land"; he signed legislation funding Planned Parenthood THREE TIMES since taking office in January of this year, etc. etc. etc.), you're right Sandy, one really can't compare Donald Trump with Ronald Reagan.

    As Governor of California, Ronald Reagan was largely responsible for abortion, homosexuality and the break up of the family (no fault divorce) going mainstream. As President, he made no attempt to undo the incalculable harm that those acts did to America.

    When it comes to comparing the harm that Trump has done to America compared to Reagan, there currently is no comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    LOL. You can keep on claiming I'm a libertarian all you want. I'm not for legalizing drugs. I'm not for legalizing abortion. I'm not for legalizing sodomy. I'm not for legalizing pedophelia. I'm not for any of those things. And, I have yet to see a libertarian against any of those things except for pedophelia.
    Totalitarian.

    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5122301

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    Can someone (a conservative) please explain conservatism to me in the age of Trump? It's main principles, it's ideals, what it's supposed to stand for? Because it's really hard to tell if there's anything but naked partisanship and leader-worship.

    Feel free to lay out any part of it, or an overview of the whole.
    rex, you might find this relevant to your OP:

    When ‘Conservatives’ Turned Into Radicals

    ... conservatism has long had two faces — one for its ideological elites and another for its voters. Its intellectual class debates free markets and constitutional law, but the message for voters is consistently different, full of sinister socialist plots and black welfare recipients soaking up tax money. The conversations I had in our office on Sunday afternoons took place against a backdrop of complaints about “liberal fascism,” of unceasing racial rhetoric in every publication and comments section, of the national anti-liberal student group Young Americans for Freedom planning a gathering in the center of our campus for “Catch an Illegal Immigrant Day.”

    Trump rejected only half that equation: the elites who believed their ideas determined the trajectory of conservative thought. He excised the ideological middlemen and spoke directly to voters, who did not need to wrestle with coherent principles or define the nature of the relationship between citizen and state. They were free to decide that universal health care and copious use of executive orders were conservative values after all — and when they did, the very people whose entire careers had depended on carefully defining and nurturing the conservative movement would come to look like liberal shills. As Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona said late in October, announcing that he would not seek re-election: “It is clear at this moment that a traditional conservative” — a believer in free trade, limited government and all the rest — “has a narrower and narrower path to nomination in the Republican Party.”
    So keep your candles burning

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    When it comes to comparing the harm that Trump has done to America compared to Reagan, there currently is no comparison.
    Indeed ... Trump is far worse, specifically in the fact that he is DANGEROUS by virtue of his unbalanced mind.
    As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes."
    When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics."
    When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty
    -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Conservatism is staying grounded rather than going whichever way the wind blows.

    By way of stuffing your head......where?
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    Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
    As Governor of California, Ronald Reagan was largely responsible for abortion, homosexuality and the break up of the family (no fault divorce) going mainstream. As President, he made no attempt to undo the incalculable harm that those acts did to America.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    Indeed ... Trump is far worse, specifically in the fact that he is DANGEROUS by virtue of his unbalanced mind.
    If Reagan were alive today he could give Trump acting lessons on how to talk like a conservative while continuing to promote liberal causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    I have no idea who you think I am, but I am most definitely not some guy named, Aaron. I get a chuckle at your paranoia though. He must have given you fits when you would debate him.


    @aCultureWarrior is certifiable
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post


    @aCultureWarrior is certifiable
    Explain conservatism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Explain conservatism.
    Explaining anything to you always proves to be a huge waste of time.

    There is no limit to your stupidity
    “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

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