User Tag List

Page 94 of 96 FirstFirst ... 4484919293949596 LastLast
Results 1,396 to 1,410 of 1426

Thread: If Evolution

  1. #1396
    Teenage Adaptive Ninja Turtle Stripe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Taipei, Taiwan
    Posts
    15,794
    Thanks
    134
    Thanked 8,344 Times in 6,448 Posts

    Blog Entries
    2
    Mentioned
    20 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    2147801
    Yep. He tries to pass off the lessons of history as "figurative" and refuses to elaborate on what the Bible might mean if it doesn't mean what it plainly says.

  2. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Stripe For Your Post:

    JudgeRightly (February 11th, 2018),Right Divider (February 11th, 2018),Tambora (February 11th, 2018)

  3. #1397
    Teenage Adaptive Ninja Turtle Stripe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Taipei, Taiwan
    Posts
    15,794
    Thanks
    134
    Thanked 8,344 Times in 6,448 Posts

    Blog Entries
    2
    Mentioned
    20 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    2147801
    Blablaman's made up scriptures.

  4. #1398
    TOL Legend The Barbarian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Posts
    7,232
    Thanks
    90
    Thanked 1,522 Times in 1,061 Posts

    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    274044
    Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Yeah, because if you roll a rock the size of the Earth down a hill and it rolls up a smaller hill and stops atop it, most of the energy is dispersed as heat.
    Barbarian chuckles:
    Of course. How else would it be dispersed? If it wasn't dispersed, it would roll back and forth indefinitely.


    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    This whole physics thing is a bit beyond you, isn't it?
    Well, let's see if we can help you with it...

    A moving ball has kinetic energy. Going down the hill, it gains kinetic energy, losing potential energy. At the bottom of the hill, it has a maximum of kinetic energy and zero potential energy. As it goes up the hill, it gains potential energy and loses kinetic energy. When it gets to a point somewhat lower than the point at which it started, it will stop and then begin to roll downhill the other way. And it will go back and forth, in lower and lower runs as more and more of the energy is dispersed as heat from friction. Eventially, all of the energy will be lost, and the ball will come to a halt at the bottom of the hill.

    Since it's at the bottom of the hill, it has no potential energy and since it's not moving, it has no kinetic energy. Where did it all disperse? In the form of heat.

    Now, if there was no friction from air resistance or rolling friction, there would be no dispersion of energy as heat, and the ball would oscillate back and forth indefinitely.

    What has you confused, Stipe, is the fact that kinetic energy is not dispersed (other than by friction into heat), but is transformed into a different form of energy, potential energy.

    A skateboarder drops off the lip on a half-pipe,
    If you'll watch closely, you'll see that he doesn't just "drop", Stipe. He "pumps" when he hits the bottom of the pipe, to add energy to the board. This increases the kinetic energy and allows him to go higher than he would than if he merely rolled like a ball down a hill:


    rolls down the slope and up the other side, where he dismounts.
    So, up the hill, most of the kinetic energy has been transformed to potential energy. The remaining energy is lost as heat from friction, when he dismounts and he lands on the deck,and comes to a halt.

    Stipe, being unaware of the physics involved, exclaims: "Oh, his energy didn't disperse! He's going to have to keep rolling back and forth forever!"

    Stupid, stupid Stipe.
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

    Most people online don't want to be corrected. They do not care about anything that does not agree with them.

  5. The Following User Says Thank You to The Barbarian For Your Post:

    Arthur Brain (February 13th, 2018)

  6. #1399
    TOL Legend The Barbarian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Posts
    7,232
    Thanks
    90
    Thanked 1,522 Times in 1,061 Posts

    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    274044
    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Wow. That's sad. Question:

    Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth.The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters.And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered.The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered.And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man.All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died.So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive.And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days. - Genesis 7:17-24 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4&version=NKJV

    Do you believe that this entire passage is figurative?
    Could be. But of course, since it doesn't say the whole world was flooded, and since there was a huge regional flood in the Middle East at roughly the right time, I'm inclined to believe that it did happen.

    And where in the Bible do you find that "mountain" in scripture doesn't really mean mountain (see the definition I provided below, which I got just by googling "mountain"), but instead means "25-foot hills"?
    As you admit, the mountains at the time were thousands of feet high, and therefore, if the water only raised 25 feet, not even the mountains in the Middle East would have been covered. Not even valleys higher than 25 feet above the lower plains. So that's pretty much out.

    I think that when it says mountains in Genesis 7:20, it means a large landform that stretches above the surrounding land in a limited area, usually in the form of a peak, generally steeper than a hill, and I believe they were about 6-7 thousand feet tall.
    There were such peaks where the Black Sea was created by the flood. There are also remains of settlements at the bottom of the Black Sea.

    As far as your accusation, I'm simply reading scripture as-is
    I see your denial, but as in this post, you have revised God's word to suit your own inclinations.
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

    Most people online don't want to be corrected. They do not care about anything that does not agree with them.

  7. #1400
    TOL Legend Arthur Brain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Precariously balanced on top of a mineshaft
    Posts
    12,723
    Thanks
    6,249
    Thanked 5,234 Times in 3,509 Posts

    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    2147719
    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Barbarian chuckles:
    Of course. How else would it be dispersed? If it wasn't dispersed, it would roll back and forth indefinitely.




    Well, let's see if we can help you with it...

    A moving ball has kinetic energy. Going down the hill, it gains kinetic energy, losing potential energy. At the bottom of the hill, it has a maximum of kinetic energy and zero potential energy. As it goes up the hill, it gains potential energy and loses kinetic energy. When it gets to a point somewhat lower than the point at which it started, it will stop and then begin to roll downhill the other way. And it will go back and forth, in lower and lower runs as more and more of the energy is dispersed as heat from friction. Eventially, all of the energy will be lost, and the ball will come to a halt at the bottom of the hill.

    Since it's at the bottom of the hill, it has no potential energy and since it's not moving, it has no kinetic energy. Where did it all disperse? In the form of heat.

    Now, if there was no friction from air resistance or rolling friction, there would be no dispersion of energy as heat, and the ball would oscillate back and forth indefinitely.

    What has you confused, Stipe, is the fact that kinetic energy is not dispersed (other than by friction into heat), but is transformed into a different form of energy, potential energy.



    If you'll watch closely, you'll see that he doesn't just "drop", Stipe. He "pumps" when he hits the bottom of the pipe, to add energy to the board. This increases the kinetic energy and allows him to go higher than he would than if he merely rolled like a ball down a hill:




    So, up the hill, most of the kinetic energy has been transformed to potential energy. The remaining energy is lost as heat from friction, when he dismounts and he lands on the deck,and comes to a halt.

    Stipe, being unaware of the physics involved, exclaims: "Oh, his energy didn't disperse! He's going to have to keep rolling back and forth forever!"

    Stupid, stupid Stipe.
    This reminds me of when TH schooled Stipe as to how the legal system works, a thread actually started by Stipe and one in which he he embarrassed himself by showing a lack of even a layman's understanding of the law.

    Prediction: He'll call you 'blablaman', scuttle off under a flurry of smileys and/or go on about 'Darwinists' again.
    Well this is fun isn't it?


  8. #1401
    Over 4000 post club JudgeRightly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Location
    On the road
    Posts
    4,494
    Thanks
    13,034
    Thanked 3,620 Times in 2,347 Posts

    Mentioned
    34 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    1538913
    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Could be. But of course, since it doesn't say the whole world was flooded, and since there was a huge regional flood in the Middle East at roughly the right time, I'm inclined to believe that it did happen.



    As you admit, the mountains at the time were thousands of feet high, and therefore, if the water only raised 25 feet, not even the mountains in the Middle East would have been covered. Not even valleys higher than 25 feet above the lower plains. So that's pretty much out.
    So what part of "and the mountains were covered" do you not get? Or are you just ignoring that sentence?

    There were such peaks where the Black Sea was created by the flood. There are also remains of settlements at the bottom of the Black Sea.

    I see your denial, but as in this post, you have revised God's word to suit your own inclinations.
    Please show how.

    As I keep saying, I'm taking what is said in the Bible at face value, reading what it says as what it says, which is that all the mountains were covered. How can mountains be covered in water if it's a local flood? How does the ark "[rise] high above the earth" if the waters are only 15 cubits high (first of all, the boat wouldn't have even been lifted off the ground if the water was only 15 cubits high, it's too heavy and there's not enough upward pressure on the hull) and then how could the ark get moved around on the surface of the waters? It wouldn't move at all if it were simply a local flood. Please zoom out a bit and get the big picture of what's being said, instead of just focusing in on a single phrase.

    Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth. The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered. And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died. So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive. And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days. - Genesis 7:17-24 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4&version=NKJV

  9. The Following User Says Thank You to JudgeRightly For Your Post:

    George Affleck (February 13th, 2018)

  10. #1402
    Teenage Adaptive Ninja Turtle Stripe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Taipei, Taiwan
    Posts
    15,794
    Thanks
    134
    Thanked 8,344 Times in 6,448 Posts

    Blog Entries
    2
    Mentioned
    20 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    2147801
    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Well, let's see if we can help you with it.
    You can't help anyone with anything until you learn to read.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    This reminds me of when TH schooled Stipe as to how the legal system works, a thread actually started by Stipe and one in which he he embarrassed himself by showing a lack of even a layman's understanding of the law.


    You expect a lawyer to understand the law?

    Prediction: He'll call you 'blablaman', scuttle off under a flurry of smileys and/or go on about 'Darwinists' again.


    Arthur's brain.

  11. #1403
    Teenage Adaptive Ninja Turtle Stripe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Taipei, Taiwan
    Posts
    15,794
    Thanks
    134
    Thanked 8,344 Times in 6,448 Posts

    Blog Entries
    2
    Mentioned
    20 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    2147801
    Meanwhile, the Darwinists' remain in their ignorance, raising a weak objection to an idea and ignoring the answer.

  12. The Following User Says Thank You to Stripe For Your Post:

    JudgeRightly (February 15th, 2018)

  13. #1404
    TOL Legend Arthur Brain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Precariously balanced on top of a mineshaft
    Posts
    12,723
    Thanks
    6,249
    Thanked 5,234 Times in 3,509 Posts

    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    2147719
    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post



    You expect a lawyer to understand the law?
    Oddly enough, yes. TH does and he comprehensively took you apart on the subject, showing you up for a lack of understanding of even the basics. It was entertaining in its own way as there's always a satisfaction to be had when pompous, arrogant blowhards are humiliated.
    Well this is fun isn't it?


  14. The Following User Says Thank You to Arthur Brain For Your Post:

    Rusha (Yesterday)

  15. #1405
    TOL Legend Arthur Brain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Precariously balanced on top of a mineshaft
    Posts
    12,723
    Thanks
    6,249
    Thanked 5,234 Times in 3,509 Posts

    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    2147719
    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Barbarian chuckles:
    Of course. How else would it be dispersed? If it wasn't dispersed, it would roll back and forth indefinitely.




    Well, let's see if we can help you with it...

    A moving ball has kinetic energy. Going down the hill, it gains kinetic energy, losing potential energy. At the bottom of the hill, it has a maximum of kinetic energy and zero potential energy. As it goes up the hill, it gains potential energy and loses kinetic energy. When it gets to a point somewhat lower than the point at which it started, it will stop and then begin to roll downhill the other way. And it will go back and forth, in lower and lower runs as more and more of the energy is dispersed as heat from friction. Eventially, all of the energy will be lost, and the ball will come to a halt at the bottom of the hill.

    Since it's at the bottom of the hill, it has no potential energy and since it's not moving, it has no kinetic energy. Where did it all disperse? In the form of heat.

    Now, if there was no friction from air resistance or rolling friction, there would be no dispersion of energy as heat, and the ball would oscillate back and forth indefinitely.

    What has you confused, Stipe, is the fact that kinetic energy is not dispersed (other than by friction into heat), but is transformed into a different form of energy, potential energy.



    If you'll watch closely, you'll see that he doesn't just "drop", Stipe. He "pumps" when he hits the bottom of the pipe, to add energy to the board. This increases the kinetic energy and allows him to go higher than he would than if he merely rolled like a ball down a hill:




    So, up the hill, most of the kinetic energy has been transformed to potential energy. The remaining energy is lost as heat from friction, when he dismounts and he lands on the deck,and comes to a halt.

    Stipe, being unaware of the physics involved, exclaims: "Oh, his energy didn't disperse! He's going to have to keep rolling back and forth forever!"

    Stupid, stupid Stipe.
    Seems as though Stipe is too busy rolling up and down a hill to answer you...
    Well this is fun isn't it?


  16. The Following User Says Thank You to Arthur Brain For Your Post:

    Rusha (Yesterday)

  17. #1406
    TOL Legend The Barbarian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Posts
    7,232
    Thanks
    90
    Thanked 1,522 Times in 1,061 Posts

    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    274044
    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Yep. He tries to pass off the lessons of history as "figurative" and refuses to elaborate on what the Bible might mean if it doesn't mean what it plainly says.
    You've merely revised the figurative languaged to make it more acceptable to you. We understand, Stipe. But it's still your new revision.
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

    Most people online don't want to be corrected. They do not care about anything that does not agree with them.

  18. #1407
    TOL Legend The Barbarian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Posts
    7,232
    Thanks
    90
    Thanked 1,522 Times in 1,061 Posts

    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    274044
    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Seems as though Stipe is too busy rolling up and down a hill to answer you...
    The Energizer Bunny of creationism. Swinging from one side to the other, seemingly endlessly tossing out generic one-liners.


    The funny thing is, Stipe has no way of comprehending what's going on in such a system.
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

    Most people online don't want to be corrected. They do not care about anything that does not agree with them.

  19. The Following User Says Thank You to The Barbarian For Your Post:

    Arthur Brain (February 14th, 2018)

  20. #1408
    TOL Legend The Barbarian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Posts
    7,232
    Thanks
    90
    Thanked 1,522 Times in 1,061 Posts

    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    274044
    Creationists often have a problem with understadning energy and how it works.
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

    Most people online don't want to be corrected. They do not care about anything that does not agree with them.

  21. #1409
    Over 5000 post club 6days's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    5,537
    Thanks
    985
    Thanked 3,297 Times in 2,003 Posts

    Mentioned
    8 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    1301392
    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    You've merely revised the figurative languaged to make it more acceptable to you. We understand, Stipe. But it's still your new revision.
    God's Word has not changed. It tells us in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them. The OT Jews believed it. The NT Christians believed it.

    There is no revision.... Even In the NT, Jesus and Paul argued for the historical truth of Scripture, upon which the Gospel stands.
    Without Genesis, absolutely nothing makes sense in all of Scripture.

  22. The Following User Says Thank You to 6days For Your Post:

    JudgeRightly (February 15th, 2018)

  23. #1410
    TOL Legend The Barbarian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Posts
    7,232
    Thanks
    90
    Thanked 1,522 Times in 1,061 Posts

    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    274044
    Quote Originally Posted by 6days View Post
    God's Word has not changed.
    But YE creationists have tried to change it. Without success.

    Let me ask you. Is the story of Abraham and Isaac a literal history or a parable?
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

    Most people online don't want to be corrected. They do not care about anything that does not agree with them.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
About us
Since 1997 TheologyOnline (TOL) has been one of the most popular theology forums on the internet. On TOL we encourage spirited conversation about religion, politics, and just about everything else.

follow us