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    Quote Originally Posted by ClimateSanity View Post
    Adam was a special creation of humanoid IMO. God imparted his spirit into Adam. This made him immortal. All humans before Adam were mortal , hence Cain's wife.
    There is no mention of Humans before Adam was created. The bible does not say anything about the people in heaven ever having bodies such as ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    There is just one little problem with that Caino, God says that He formed man in His own Image.
    But what does that Mean to you? To me it means that man has the spirit of the Father and the Son within him as the will of God abroad in the universe. The image of Triune deity.

    Ezekiel 36:27 “I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances."

    6:5.7 Though the Eternal Son cannot personally participate in the bestowal of the Thought Adjusters, he did sit in council with the Universal Father in the eternal past, approving the plan and pledging endless co-operation, when the Father, in projecting the bestowal of the Thought Adjusters, proposed to the Son, “Let us make mortal man in our own image.” And as the spirit fragment of the Father dwells within you, so does the spirit presence of the Son envelop you, while these two forever work as one for your spiritual advancement.

    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClimateSanity
    The Gospel is not destroyed by pre adamic animal death. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12

    It says death passed upon all men. It doesn't say all flesh. Don't make the Bible say more than it does.
    I agree the gospel is not destroyed if there had been animal death before sin, but scripture does seem to indicate there was no death to 'nepesh' creatures.

    1. Gen. 3:14 shows us that the curse / death was a penalty for mans sin that extended to animals. Doesn't seem like much of a penalty if death already existed.


    2. We see that both humans and animals were given a vegetarian diet. (Gen. 1:29) It was only after sin had entered the world and after the flood that God permitted eating flesh.(Gen. 9:3). If you believe animal death existed before sin, then it seems you would believe God created animals as carnivores but prevented them from eating meat.


    3. Paradise in scripture is compared to a lion or wolf laying with the lamb. We cringe when we watch a nature show where a mother zebra is in distress as lions eat her baby. It's hard to imagine that scenario is what God called "Very good" in the garden.


    4. Death is called the enemy in scripture. That applies specifically to humans, but again it does not seem consistent that God calls human death the enemy, and animal death good.


    5. There is hardly time for any death from the time of creation to the time Adam sinned. No children had even been born yet.


    6. There is an important object lesson that happens after man sinned. Death to an innocent creature (lamb?) came at the 'hand's of God, in order man could be clothed. If death existed before sin, then it becomes a meaningless point that God sacrificed innocent life to cover, and cloth humans.


    BTW...what do you mean by pre Adamic animals I suspect you mean something other than animals which had been created a few hours earlier? If that is what you mean, then yes, it becomes a Gospel destroying belief.
    Without Genesis, absolutely nothing makes sense in all of Scripture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClimateSanity View Post
    Why is this a problem?
    There were no humans before Adam.

    Mark 10:6 (AKJV/PCE)
    (10:6) But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Ah, that wonderful Cainoian fairy tale.... repeated as if Caino was there.

    Are you the Creator Caino?
    As it turns out Genesis has been debunked, it was a pseudo-biographical teaching tool of the Hebrew priest ckass who made no claim to be dictating a story from God,

    Jesus never taught YEC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    As it turns out Genesis has been debunked, it was a pseudo-biographical teaching tool of the Hebrew priest ckass who made no claim to be dictating a story from God,
    More fairy tale story telling. Thanks for the amusement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    Jesus never taught YEC.
    I never said that He did. That just goes to show (AGAIN) that you don't pay attention to what anyone is saying but yourself.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClimateSanity View Post
    The Gospel is not destroyed by pre adamic animal death. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    Romans 5:12

    It says death passed upon all men. It doesn't say all flesh. Don't make the Bible say more than it does.
    Jesus never taught that death entered the world through Adams Sin. Death was the consequence specifically for Adam and Eve who had eternal life (use of the tree of life). Death and or translation has always been normal for man who is 1,000,000 years old.

    If death wasn’t normal the earth would have a serious problem of overcrowding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    Jesus never taught that death entered the world through Adams Sin. Death was the consequence specifically for Adam and Eve who had eternal life. Death and or translation has always been normal for man who is 1,000,000 years old.
    Did those Urantian UFO guys give you the "heads up" on this one?
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Did those Urantian UFO guys give you the "heads up" on this one?
    It’s in the Bible, but it’s looking like you haven’t ever read it.

    Did the Jews whose Father Jesus called “the devil” indoctrinate you with their made for holywood story????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    There were no humans before Adam.

    Mark 10:6 (AKJV/PCE)
    (10:6) But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
    How do you define human biblically? Is a Neanderthal a biblical human? I would say no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    It’s in the Bible, but it’s looking like you haven’t ever read it.

    If it was in the Bible, you could show it to us.

    Mark 10:6 (AKJV/PCE)
    (10:6) But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

    The LORD Jesus Christ is talking about Adam and Eve and not monkey boy and monkey girl.

    Mark 10:7-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (10:7) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; (10:8) And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. (10:9) What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    Did the Jews whose Father Jesus called “the devil” indoctrinate you with their made for holywood story????

    No, I just believe the truth. You're the one believing "aliens".
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClimateSanity View Post
    How do you define human biblically? Is a Neanderthal a biblical human? I would say no.
    Neanderthals were most likely those that had to survive in caves after the flood destroyed the world that was then.

    Why do you think that they are less than human? Because you've believed the wild-eyed speculation of atheistic evolutionists.

    Jesus said that God made humans male and female from the beginning of creation and He's the one that knows for sure.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    Jesus never taught that death entered the world through Adams Sin. Death was the consequence specifically for Adam and Eve who had eternal life (use of the tree of life). Death and or translation has always been normal for man who is 1,000,000 years old.

    If death wasn’t normal the earth would have a serious problem of overcrowding.
    Read what I said. Death of man entered the world through Adam . That's what Paul said. Paul says nothing of death of all life forms entering through Adam. Also, the Bible only speaks of people as they existed in biblical times up through today. It has nothing to say about non adamic species. The Bible clearly states that Adam was the first man. That means all humanoids before Adam were distinctly different than Adam. We are the only animals that have a soul. That's the biggest difference between Adam and those humanoids that existed before him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    It’s in the Bible, but it’s looking like you haven’t ever read it.

    Did the Jews whose Father Jesus called “the devil” indoctrinate you with their made for holywood story????
    Paul is in the Bible too and he clearly says death entered through Adam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post

    If it was in the Bible, you could show it to us.

    Mark 10:6 (AKJV/PCE)
    (10:6) But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

    The LORD Jesus Christ is talking about Adam and Eve and not monkey boy and monkey girl.

    Mark 10:7-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (10:7) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; (10:8) And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. (10:9) What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.



    No, I just believe the truth. You're the one believing "aliens".
    Adam and Eve can no longer use the tree of life and live forever:

    Gen 3:22 ““The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”


    Humans were already on the earth out in the world, God agrees:

    Gen 4:13. “
    13 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

    15 But the Lord said to him, “Not so, anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod,[f] east of Eden.

    17 Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch.

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