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    TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS IS HIDDEN

    Matt 16:18
    18 "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
    Mark 14:27
    27 Then Jesus said to them, "All of you will be made to stumble because of Me this night, for it is written: 'I will strike the Shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.'
    Heb 3:6
    6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
    Heb 3:7-9
    7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you will hear His voice,
    8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness,
    9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me, and saw My works forty years.
    Rev 12:1-17
    1 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.
    2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.
    3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.
    4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.
    5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.
    6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
    7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought,
    8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.
    9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
    11 "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.
    12 "Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time."
    13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child.
    14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.
    15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood.
    16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.
    17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
    John 14:18-21
    18 "I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
    19 "A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also.
    20 "At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
    21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
    Heb 13:5-6
    5 Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you."
    6 So we may boldly say: "The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?"
    2 Cor 6:17-18
    17 Therefore "Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you."
    18 "I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."
    Rom 8:35-39
    35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
    36 As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."
    37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
    38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
    39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
    2 Cor 5:7-9
    7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
    8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
    9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him.
    Heb 3:1-4
    1 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus,
    2 who was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was faithful in all His house.
    3 For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house.
    4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God.


    The true born again church is hidden. There are members in every denomination that hear the Holy Spirit quoting verses to them. God put them there. To trade talents with the members of that denomination. They are very gentle, and willing to yield to the members rather than argue. But they themselves will not go against the verses the Holy Spirit gives them. They question things that are said in the church because of the verses the Holy Spirit gives them. They are demonstrating the Holy Spirit. So everyone is without excuse on Judgment day. They would be the apostles in that church.

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    The church Jesus started is hidden and based on a belief. Not a denomination. He has a few members in this denomination, and a few members in that denomination. But the foundation of that denomination must be Jesus and the new testament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    The church Jesus started is hidden and based on a belief. Not a denomination. He has a few members in this denomination, and a few members in that denomination. But the foundation of that denomination must be Jesus and the new testament.
    Shalom.

    Today is Shlishli (Third), 12-5.

    The true church and truth are or is not denominational. People are visible and seen though sometimes behind the scenes.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    John 1:40-41 NASB, John 1:49 NASB - 40 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He found first his own brother Simon and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ). 49 - Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    Today is Shlishli (Third), 12-5.

    The true church and truth are or is not denominational. People are visible and seen though sometimes behind the scenes.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    I said
    Read it again I never said it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    Read it again I never said it was.
    Hidden in denominations might imply differences in doctrine or words and how they are understood.
    John 1:40-41 NASB, John 1:49 NASB - 40 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He found first his own brother Simon and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ). 49 - Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Hidden in denominations might imply differences in doctrine or words and how they are understood.
    I said
    Only to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    Only to you.
    It is Revi'i.

    Only to those who see a difference in denominations, doctrine or not.
    John 1:40-41 NASB, John 1:49 NASB - 40 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He found first his own brother Simon and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ). 49 - Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    It is Revi'i.

    Only to those who see a difference in denominations, doctrine or not.
    I said
    You have been blinded to Jesus' truth.

    [Jhn 12:40
    40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with [their] eyes, Lest they should understand with [their] hearts and turn, So that I should heal them."
    [Rom 11:7
    7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
    [2Co 3:14
    14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the [veil] is taken away in Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS IS HIDDEN

    Matt 16:18
    "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
    "church" is ἐκκλησία ekklēsía which simply means "assembly" .
    for example:

    “This is the one who was in the church in the wilderness together with the messenger [the Son] who was speaking to him on Mount Sinai, and who was with our fathers; and he received living oracles to pass on to you." - Acts 7:38

    So you are saying that Israel wandering in the wilderness of Saudi Arabia was the Church.
    One who is unlearned, and yet teaches falsehoods will be subject to punishment at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
    Last edited by beameup; Yesterday at 09:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    You have been blinded to Jesus' truth.

    [Jhn 12:40
    40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with [their] eyes, Lest they should understand with [their] hearts and turn, So that I should heal them."
    [Rom 11:7
    7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
    [2Co 3:14
    14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the [veil] is taken away in Christ.
    Shalom.

    Today is Revi'i, 12-6. It is morning, day.

    The truth that Jesus taught is not dependent upon denominations.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    John 1:40-41 NASB, John 1:49 NASB - 40 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He found first his own brother Simon and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ). 49 - Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel."

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    Quote Originally Posted by beameup View Post
    "church" is ἐκκλησία ekklēsía which simply means "assembly" .
    for example:

    “This is the one who was in the church in the wilderness together with the messenger [the Son] who was speaking to him on Mount Sinai, and who was with our fathers; and he received living oracles to pass on to you." - Acts 7:38

    So you are saying that Israel wandering in the wilderness of Saudi Arabia was the Church.
    One who is unlearned, and yet teaches falsehoods will be subject to punishment at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
    I said
    The Church Gathering
    A group of people gathering together to worship and learn about God. The preacher has a sermon. The teachers are the sunday school class where they gather in small groups. Men together, women together, and children together. Before the sermon the groups are prepared for the sermon by the teachers. The sunday school can be before the sermon or after the sermon. And the teachers prepare the congregation, before, or explain the sermon after. Men teach the men, and women teach the women. And women teach the children. Now in every congregation there are apostles, and prophets. The congregation are disciples. The apostles are there to hear the sermon, and if there is a deception from the preacher, the apostles will correct them after church. At the end of every sermon the preacher will ask if their is any gifts to be exercised.Church has ended. Like speaking in tongues or prophesying. If there is no interpreter those that speak in tongues will keep silent. If there is a prophesy they will do it in order one by one, If while they prophesy, one interrupts them they will be silent and listen.

    1 Cor 14:23-40
    23 Therefore if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind?
    24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an uninformed person comes in, he is convinced by all, he is convicted by all.
    25 And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed; and so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you.
    26 How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
    27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret.
    28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God.
    29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.
    30 But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent.
    31 For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged.
    32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
    33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
    34 Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.
    35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.
    36 Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached?
    37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord.
    38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.
    39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.
    40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
    (NKJ)
    xxx The biggest sin in church is argueing.

    Gal 5:15-18
    15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!
    16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
    17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
    18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
    Acts 24:10-13
    10 Then Paul, after the governor had nodded to him to speak, answered: "Inasmuch as I know that you have been for many years a judge of this nation, I do the more cheerfully answer for myself,
    11 "because you may ascertain that it is no more than twelve days since I went up to Jerusalem to worship.
    12 "And they neither found me in the temple disputing with anyone nor inciting the crowd, either in the synagogues or in the city.
    13 "Nor can they prove the things of which they now accuse me.
    Phil 2:13-16
    13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
    14 Do all things without complaining and disputing,
    15 that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,
    16 holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.
    Rom 12:3-4
    3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.
    4 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function,
    1 Cor 12:11-25
    11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
    12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
    13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-- whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free-- and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
    14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.
    15 If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body," is it therefore not of the body?
    16 And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body," is it therefore not of the body?
    17 If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling?
    18 But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased.
    19 And if they were all one member, where would the body be?
    20 But now indeed there are many members, yet one body.
    21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; nor again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you."
    22 No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary.
    23 And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor; and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty,
    24 but our presentable parts have no need. But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it,
    25 that there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another.
    (NKJ)

    THE RELATIONSHIP OF ELDERS TO THE CONGREGATION

    1 Pet 5:1-11

    1 The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed:
    2 Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly;
    3 nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock;
    4 and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away.
    5 Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."
    6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time,
    7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
    8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
    9 Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.
    10 But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.
    11 To Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
    (NKJ)

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