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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Believers are sons by adoption.
    Nope, we are sons by begettal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    We have assemblies made up of both saved and unsaved.

    Clearly, not all in the visible church assembly are in the body of Christ.
    Yeah, that's Jesus' parable of the wheat and the tares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Jesus' death did two things, it provided reconciliation with the Father for mankind.
    All well and good, but each man must accept that peace by believing the Gospel of Peace. Rom. 10:15

    2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

    Peace is only good if both parties agree, and life only comes when we (personally) are reconciled to God.


    It also provided the blood for the Passover for firstborn sons of God.

    Jesus is our Passover Lamb.
    Are you Jewish? I'm not. The law was only a shadow of what was to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Nope, we are sons by begettal.
    Begotten by the Gospel as adopted sons of God. That's the heart of the Gospel, Jamie.

    Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

    Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Begotten by the Gospel as adopted sons of God. That's the heart of the Gospel, Jamie.

    Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

    Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
    I've had trouble wrapping my head around that too.

    But John tells us that Jesus is the only begotten son.

    That only leaves adoption no matter how much I might wish it were not so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Mind1Spirit View Post
    I've had trouble wrapping my head around that too.

    But John tells us that Jesus is the only begotten son.

    That only leaves adoption no matter how much I might wish it were not so.
    I'd like to say I understood this subject perfectly, but I don't.

    I've heard some say Jesus was begotten at the resurrection, but I think that is just when it was DECLARED AS A DECREE.

    Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

    Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Mind1Spirit View Post
    I've had trouble wrapping my head around that too.

    But John tells us that Jesus is the only begotten son.

    That only leaves adoption no matter how much I might wish it were not so.
    "having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever" (1 Peter 1:23)

    We were first begotten by our human father and then begotten again by our heavenly Father so that we might be born into an incorruptible body.

    "So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body." (1 Corinthians 15:42-44)

    "For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now." (Romans 8:22)

    Birth pangs?

    G4944
    συνωδίνω
    sunōdinō
    soon-o-dee'-no
    From G4862 and G5605; to have (parturition) pangs in company (concert, simultaneously) with, that is, (figuratively) to sympathize (in expectation of relief from suffering): - travail in pain together.

    We can't be born again until we are first begotten again.

    Jesus said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Are you Jewish? I'm not.
    Are you anti-Semitic. I'm not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Mind1Spirit View Post
    I've had trouble wrapping my head around that too.

    But John tells us that Jesus is the only begotten son.

    That only leaves adoption no matter how much I might wish it were not so.

    Adoption is not so bad. It was not a free adoption. We have been bought with the blood of Christ, 1 Corinthians 6:20.

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    The concept of adoption is not in the NT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    The concept of adoption is not in the NT.
    Really?

    Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

    Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,






    1 Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV -


    Colossians 1:13-14 KJV - Colossians 1:15-16 KJV - Colossians 1:17-18 KJV -

    Colossians 1:19-20 KJV - Colossians 1:21-22 KJV - Colossians 1:23 KJV -

    Colossians 1:25-26 KJV 27, 28, 29 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Ephesians 1:12-13, 14 -



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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Really?

    Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

    Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,







    Good scripture Patrick. Its hard to soar with the eagles when you have to run with the turkeys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Are you anti-Semitic. I'm not.
    No, I'm not. Aren't you glad we got that out of the way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    I'd like to say I understood this subject perfectly, but I don't.

    I've heard some say Jesus was begotten at the resurrection, but I think that is just when it was DECLARED AS A DECREE.

    Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

    Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    "having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever" (1 Peter 1:23)

    We were first begotten by our human father and then begotten again by our heavenly Father so that we might be born into an incorruptible body.

    "So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body." (1 Corinthians 15:42-44)

    "For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now." (Romans 8:22)

    Birth pangs?

    G4944
    συνωδίνω
    sunōdinō
    soon-o-dee'-no
    From G4862 and G5605; to have (parturition) pangs in company (concert, simultaneously) with, that is, (figuratively) to sympathize (in expectation of relief from suffering): - travail in pain together.

    We can't be born again until we are first begotten again.

    Jesus said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3)
    Being begotten by the Gospel (the word), happens before we are given spiritual bodies.

    It looks to me like you're trying to make being begotten (as new creatures), and being raised with spiritual bodies take the place of being adopted children of God.

    I can't agree....seems to be a case of apples and oranges to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Adoption is not so bad. It was not a free adoption. We have been bought with the blood of Christ, 1 Corinthians 6:20.
    It's better. You're taken off the streets where you had no hope, and bought with great price.

    Talk about being valued.

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