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    Quote Originally Posted by Samie View Post
    Apparently glorydaz also believes that God, through Christ, is NOT the ONLY Savior of all men since there is no ONLY in the verse:

    KJV 1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe

    I wonder, does she have another saviour in mind?
    APPARENTLY, you need to stop guessing.

    ALL MEN? And what does that tell you?

    I don't have to add or subtract words from the Holy Scripture to find the TRUTH.

    I just have to be willing to look.

    And when I do look, I find even more than what I might expect to find. Which is why you cannot ever add to the word of God, and you should be called on it every single time you do such.

    So, when you read these verses and the verse you offered, you find out something amazing. Something you would not find by adding your own words to what is written.

    Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

    Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

    Jude 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

    TA DA

    2 Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

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    Oh good, glorydaz.

    So then, you did use other verses.

    So why is it that when I used other verses to prove that Christ is the ONLY Source of power, being the power of God, why do you complain because there is no ONLY in the initial verse I used?

    KJV 1 Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

    KJV Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

    If Christ was given all power in heaven and in earth, why would He not be the ONLY source of power?

    Are you now throwing in the towel, sister?

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    All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

    Jim Elliot

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    Poor Samie has to beat this horse to death. We are all born sinners Samie and we don't get connected to Christ until we come to genuine repentance and are converted. The Holy Spirit convicts all men of sin so we are not left adrift like you suppose. Some men hear the Spirit and surrender to Christ but the majority resist and rebel and go down the broad path to destruction.

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    Epoises;

    Unless you directly address the issue raised in the OP using Scriptures, your objection is nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

    Hi and BR has answered your post in Rom 3:23 , and reads , For all have SINNED and are FALLING short of the glort of God 11

    Rom 5;12 SAYS , For this reason , just as by one man sin entered into the world and death by sin , so also feath passed through ALL MEN , because all have sinned !!

    SO your PREMISE IS WRONG !!

    dan p
    Last edited by DAN P; October 14th, 2017 at 11:08 AM.

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    DanP;

    Sinning is done AFTER, NOT before, one is born. So, your & BR's objection is wrong.

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    No one is born with another person's sin, but with the proclivity to sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samie View Post
    DanP;

    Sinning is done AFTER, NOT before, one is born. So, your & BR's objection is wrong.
    Hi and I rest my case with Rom 3:23 and Rom 5:12 and you will never refute those passages !!

    dan p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samie View Post
    Epoises;

    Unless you directly address the issue raised in the OP using Scriptures, your objection is nothing.
    Your dead horse that you prance about over and over and over is nothing. Christ the great physician has nothing for you if you're not a sinner. The church is a hospital for sick people. Sinners go there to hear the good news and get cured of sin but all they hear today is slick song and dance numbers from false teachers like Samie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epoisses View Post
    Poor Samie has to beat this horse to death. We are all born sinners Samie and we don't get connected to Christ until we come to genuine repentance and are converted. The Holy Spirit convicts all men of sin so we are not left adrift like you suppose. Some men hear the Spirit and surrender to Christ but the majority resist and rebel and go down the broad path to destruction.
    Are they forced to surrender, or do they choose to surrender?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi and I rest my case with Rom 3:23 and Rom 5:12 and you will never refute those passages !!

    dan p
    It's not in me to refute Bible verses. None of them says people are born in sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epoisses View Post
    Your dead horse that you prance about over and over and over is nothing. Christ the great physician has nothing for you if you're not a sinner. The church is a hospital for sick people.
    You're barking up the wrong tree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Epoisses View Post
    Sinners go there to hear the good news and get cured of sin but all they hear today is slick song and dance numbers from false teachers like Samie.
    No need for ad-hominems, is there?

    Just directly address the issue raised in the OP. It appears you can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samie View Post
    It's not in me to refute Bible verses. None of them says people are born in sin.


    Hi and then are you sayings that we are born WITH OUT SIN and then we become sinners, where does it say THAT ??

    dan p

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi and then are you sayings that we are born WITH OUT SIN and then we become sinners, where does it say THAT ?
    Please read the OP. I cited a couple of those verses there.

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