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Thread: Grace: God isn't mad at sin, or just isn't doing anything about it at the moment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Adam and Eve thought for themselves.

    That turned out just wonderful.

    Try thinking a thing through a bit more through the Scripture, rather than through your own reasoning, Prob. 3:5.
    Yeah, I simply trust in what the Bible says...not what men claim the Bible says.

    Keep up that studying, Danoh, and eventually you might earn yourself a scholarship to some famous Bible college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    More the thinking a thing through in the way the natural man does.
    Nice try, but no cigar.

    If we're all born with Adam's sin, then why wasn't Jesus?

    Oh, I know, sin is passed down through men and not women. Study that out.

    Sin is hereditary. Swallow that and call it studying something out.

    No thinking required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    I agree.
    Which means that they were born alive.
    Yep, the wages of sin is death. Wages is something we earn for ourselves. Babies and children who die physically before they are able to choose good over evil have no wages of sin accumulated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Yep, the wages of sin is death. Wages is something we earn for ourselves. Babies and children who die physically before they are able to choose good over evil have no wages of sin accumulated.
    Nice illogic there

    Rom. 5:8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Nice illogic there

    Rom. 5:8.
    Only "illogic" to certain high minded lovers of self.

    oh danny

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Yep, the wages of sin is death. Wages is something we earn for ourselves. Babies and children who die physically before they are able to choose good over evil have no wages of sin accumulated.
    I'd agree with that. It is inevitable that all will sin sooner or later, no exceptions. But when one is that young, operating on little more than instinct and external stimuli, with no conscience and not much intellect to inform choice, I don't see how sin as an act is even possible.
    Not a single cluster of living fruit was, or ever will be, harvested from the tree of legality. Law can only produce “dead works,” from which we need to have conscience purged just as much as from “wicked works.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    I agree.
    Which means that they were born alive.
    If even newborns can be said to be "dead in sin" it's only because we're all born as good as dead because of sin, which inevitably reveals itself within us all.
    Not a single cluster of living fruit was, or ever will be, harvested from the tree of legality. Law can only produce “dead works,” from which we need to have conscience purged just as much as from “wicked works.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    If even newborns can be said to be "dead in sin" it's only because we're all born as good as dead because of sin, which inevitably reveals itself within us all.
    Indeed, if we live in this world of sin long enough, we'll succumb to the lusts thereof. It is not that newborns or children are dead in sin. Paul makes it clear it is our way of going...according to the prince of the power of the air......fulfilling lusts and desires of the flesh and mind. Lusts of the flesh does not refer to a baby needing a bottle or a child being hungry. It's DISOBEDIENCE.

    Ephesians 2:1-3
    2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

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    Is the holy spirit, in someones life continuously after accepting the Cross?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whyben View Post
    Is the holy spirit, in someones life continuously after accepting the Cross?
    Yes


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    Quote Originally Posted by whyben View Post
    God as a father figure? What other names do people use for God?
    God with a Wrath? Please explain an example of Gods wrath from the Bible?
    God doing things with Job? Where was Job at the time this happened?
    Too many questions


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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
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    1 Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV -


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    Colossians 1:19-20 KJV - Colossians 1:21-22 KJV - Colossians 1:23 KJV -

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Opinions differ on the scope of God's dealing with sin by the Cross, as far as how He views the lost and their sin today. Some say that, having reconciled all to Himself, God is not angry at all with anyone and wants people to believe that and be saved. Others agree with the above but add that His wrath is currently suspended by His grace, but the wrath is still there against all who love sin and reject Christ. Those are the two main positions I'm familiar with; there may be others.

    What is your view?
    Salvation is not amnesty or just mere forgiveness it required payment and that payment is now available to us.

    Human beings are creatures that are in need of unconditional and all accepting love. But we also have a judicial need that we cannot pay over time. That is why God did what He did by paying our debt for us on the cross. But we have to be connected to God before that debt can be accredited on our behalf, we must accept the free gift and repent from our thinking about our situation, acknowledging our need for Messiah to pay our debt for us and if we do we are no longer liable to God no longer guilty and can walk out as free human beings.

    Until one comes to God in Christ the wrath of God abides upon them because of sin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    People are not reconciled to God until they go through Jesus' body and blood.

    One does not go through Jesus until Jesus puts them there.

    Jesus puts us in him when we do what he says.


    Oh really? Did He tell you to do this?



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    Quote Originally Posted by whyben View Post
    God as a father figure? What other names do people use for God?
    God with a Wrath? Please explain an example of Gods wrath from the Bible?
    God doing things with Job? Where was Job at the time this happened?
    Odd to see a silver sock. Er, I mean "newby".

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