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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    I agree. I touched on that in an earlier post. Having two grooms or two brides on the top of the cake would be a noticeable difference but a pretty minor one.


    Of course. My point is that the rejection is about the event.



    It isn't just like it though. Your example is discriminating solely on race. The baker is not discriminating solely on the customer's sexual orientation. The event is a key factor as well.
    that argument was tried in court and it didn't fly. Those discriminating tried to claim it was about an event and not about the people but serveral judges saw the pointas a failue because who else would have a same sex marriage except a same sex couple? A parallell can be drawn with a baker refusing to serve a Jewish couple, that baker isn't refusing an event, he is refusing people based on their religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDante View Post
    that argument was tried in court and it didn't fly. Those discriminating tried to claim it was about an event and not about the people but serveral judges saw the pointas a failue because who else would have a same sex marriage except a same sex couple?
    Right, it's based on the people and the event.

    A parallell can be drawn with a baker refusing to serve a Jewish couple, that baker isn't refusing an event, he is refusing people based on their religion.
    Do you mean a Jewish wedding? I don't know if that would carry the same significance but maybe someone would turn down a couple based on the same idea. It'd still be a refusal based on the combination of the people and the event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    Right, it's based on the people and the event.


    Do you mean a Jewish wedding? I don't know if that would carry the same significance but maybe someone would turn down a couple based on the same idea. It'd still be a refusal based on the combination of the people and the event.
    its also illegal

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDante View Post
    its also illegal
    We will see what the SCOTUS says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    I go back and forth on these issues. I don't think speech should be forced but I question how truly we can say that speech is being forced.

    For the 'honor Satan' cake it sounds like there would be a message on the cake to that effect. Does a cake still carry speech if there is no external message?

    Do all products carry speech or just some? Where's the line?

    If someone gets me a birthday cake would it be proper to say that the baker was promoting my birthday? Speaking to me a happy birthday? I think it would be strange to think about it that way. It's just a transaction. Someone requested a cake, someone made it. The person who ordered is speaking, not the baker. So why would I view a wedding cake differently? Or a cake for a Satan party?


    In the case of the Colorado baker he has said that he'd sell anything to the gay couple except a wedding cake. In that respect it seems inaccurate to say that he was discriminating against a protected class. On the other hand, if he'd sell the exact same cake to a straight couple, then what is really being discriminated against? Is his speech different in each case? He describes himself as a cake artist so maybe he does attempt to have a personal touch and really stand behind each cake he makes. In ways that not all bakers do.
    Well if he sent a the cake to a straight couple, I’d probably assume he has a personal issues with gay people which I was I would agree that’s he’s discriminating. Just my two cents..


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    Quote Originally Posted by rurija26 View Post
    Well if he sent a the cake to a straight couple, I’d probably assume he has a personal issues with gay people which I was I would agree that’s he’s discriminating. Just my two cents..


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    Or moral issues.

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    I go back and forth on these issues.
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    It's a false comparison. You, as a Satanist, can demand that a public cake shop make you a cake. But you can't force them to write a message that they disapprove of, whether it's in support of women's rights, gay marriage, or Satan worship. People are protected by civil rights legislation, not messages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    We will see what the SCOTUS says.
    I meant that it is illegal to engage in this form of discrimination against Jews or any other minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rurija26 View Post
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    Yes, it is a dark day when anyone is discriminated against but especially so when those who choose to discriminate try to use religion to justify their evil ways

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    Or moral issues.
    Why don't you allow for racists or anti-Semites to justify discrimination by claiming it is a "moral issue"?

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