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    ISIS claims responsibility? Really?
    Contrary to what many Americans seem to think, the document we now call "the Constitution" and the Declaration of Independence are not pretty much the same thing or "connected in spirit," or "two sides of the same coin." The two documents were written by two different groups of people at two different times to accomplish two totally different goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    ISIS claims responsibility? Really?
    http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...s-vegas-attack

    ...So far, there is no evidence that ISIS was involved beyond the group’s own assurance that Paddock was “a soldier of the Caliphate.” The group later doubled down on its claim, saying Paddock converted to Islam months ago....Historically, ISIS has not been arbitrary in the attacks it claims have been carried out by its supporters. Experts who track the group closely say that when it comes to attacks in the West, if ISIS is claiming responsibility, there typically was some kind of connection between the perpetrator and the group.

    The group does often claim responsibility for attacks that may have been merely inspired by the group’s ideology — not directed or funded by ISIS leadership. In either case, the group will credit “a soldier of the Caliphate.”...

    "Around the country, progressive bullies have attacked Christians for daring to put their faith ahead of the pet causes of those who feign compassion while destroying life-giving liberties. What we are seeing is a scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners approach as the wildfire burns across our land. It is not enough that Christians be quiet. Christians must be silenced and punished. Their faith cannot be respected. Legislation that ensures people are free to live and work according to their faith without fear of being punished by government must be stopped and decried as discrimination...There is one key reason that those on the Left must force their beliefs on the rest of us: if they didn't force their craziness on us, we would never embrace it." ~Erick Erickson
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    ISIS claims responsibility? Really?
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/isis-c...t-any-evidence
    The Federal Bureau of Investigations on Monday announced that they’ve discovered no connections between suspected Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock and the Islamic State. “We have determined to this point no connection with the international terrorist group,” said the FBI special agent in charge of the Las Vegas investigation. “We will continue to work with our partners to ensure that this is factually, thoroughly, and absolutely investigated to be able to bring comfort and peace back to this community.” Without providing even a shred of evidence, ISIS claimed responsibility for Sunday night’s mass shooting in Las Vegas that killed at least 50 people and injured hundreds of others. Without naming Paddock, the terror organization said in a statement, via its news agency, that he “executed the operation in response to calls to target countries of the coalition.” In recent months, ISIS has claimed some attacks that were ultimately unrelated to their group: For example, the group claimed responsibility for a deadly attack on a Philippines casino that later turned out to have been perpetrated for financial motivations by a debt-ridden former public servant.
    that's how you know ISIS is evil, that they would claim this scumbag as their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffblue101 View Post
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/isis-c...t-any-evidence


    that's how you know ISIS is evil, that they would claim this scumbag as their own.
    David Letterman and other idiot liberals said this was done for white nationalism, which of course would hate muslims, so thats quite a contradiction isnt it.

    "Around the country, progressive bullies have attacked Christians for daring to put their faith ahead of the pet causes of those who feign compassion while destroying life-giving liberties. What we are seeing is a scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners approach as the wildfire burns across our land. It is not enough that Christians be quiet. Christians must be silenced and punished. Their faith cannot be respected. Legislation that ensures people are free to live and work according to their faith without fear of being punished by government must be stopped and decried as discrimination...There is one key reason that those on the Left must force their beliefs on the rest of us: if they didn't force their craziness on us, we would never embrace it." ~Erick Erickson
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    First all, thoughts, prayers and condolences to those hurt, their families and all my friends over there in the states.

    Today's a day when us Brits see this on the news we are shocked and saddened and many ask the questions. "Why don't they get this? How many times does have to happen for it to shrink in?"

    Even though i'm unrepentant raging gun control advocate with you guys. I do listen and hear your position and your arguments.

    I talk about the link the constitution makes between freedom and gun ownership. I talk about Americans wanting to take personal responsibility for there families safety. I can relay the fear of armed criminal elements in society and people not wanting to face that unarmed.

    But after doing that I look at the stats again, I look at the news again, I see the pictures, I then think about the thousands of Americans who die every year, who probably wouldn't die if they lived in a country with better gun laws, and I have to be that 'stoopid' liberal voice.

    A few perceptions from someone out of the situation who doesn't really have an axe to grind, but feels he needs to speak the truth as he sees it to friends.

    • Thousands of Americans suffer directly and indirectly every year from gun crime that they would not suffer if they lived in a country with European style gun laws.
    • The basic freedoms shared by people in Europe are Similar to those in the states even though we don't high levels of gun ownership
    • The Levels of other violent crime are broadly similar so we don't see gun violence transfer to the use of cars, bombs and knives taking anywhere near the numbers of lives guns take in the US, those things happen but at similar rates to the US.
    • We've had a bad year in terms of terrorist attacks with bombs and vehicles used in Europe, real bad, you've probably seen the news. But ball parking it america still see's 50 gun deaths for every terrorist associated death in the Europe. (about 200 to 10,000, real ball parked figures)
    • Incidents like today's thought they grab the news, its just the tip of the iceberg. For every person killed today 100 to 300 more Americans will die this year by guns dependent on how you want to read the stats.


    I hope everyone here and their loved ones are well, and hope these perceptions at least make you think. I know it is not a popular view in these parts, but it need saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by This Charming Manc View Post
    First all, thoughts, prayers and condolences to those hurt, their families and all my friends over there in the states.

    Today's a day when us Brits see this on the news we are shocked and saddened and many ask the questions. "Why don't they get this? How many times does have to happen for it to shrink in?"

    Even though i'm unrepentant raging gun control advocate with you guys.

    I do listen and hear your position and your arguments. I talk about the link the constitution makes between freedom and gun ownership. I talk about Americans wanting to take personal responsibility for there families safety. I can relay the fear of armed criminal elements in society and people not wanting to face that unarmed.

    But after doing that I look at the stats again, I look at the news again, I see the pictures, I then think about the thousands of Americans who die every year, who probably wouldn't die if they lived in a country with better gun laws, and I have to be that 'stoopid' liberal voice.

    A few perceptions from someone out of the situation who doesn't really have an axe to grind, but feels he needs to speak the truth as he sees it to friends.

    • Thousands of Americans suffer directly and indirectly every year from gun crime that they would not suffer if they lived in a country with European style gun laws.
    • The basic freedoms shared by people in Europe are Similar to those in the states even though we don't high levels of gun ownership
    • The Levels of other violent crime are broadly similar so we don't see gun violence transfer to the use of cars, bombs and knives taking anywhere near the numbers of lives guns take in the US, those things happen but at similar rates to the US.
    • We've had a bad year in terms of terrorist attacks with bombs and vehicles used in Europe, real bad, you've probably seen the news. But ball parking it america still see's 50 gun deaths for every terrorist associated death in the Europe. (about 200 to 10,000, real ball parked figures)
    • Incidents like today's thought they grab the news, its just the tip of the iceberg. For every person killed today 100 to 300 more Americans will die this year by guns dependent on how you want to read the stats.


    I hope everyone here and their loved ones are well, and hope these perceptions at least make you think. I know it is not a popular view in these parts, but it need saying.
    911 shows you dont need a gun to kill a large number of people. No, your gun control manta doesn't need saying - guns save far more lives and protect more property than people get killed by them. Check those facts. Sadly its not in the liberal interest to broadcast the truth.

    My son was shot in the head on the freeway driving home from work most likey so someone could join a gang in one of the top 10 most dangerous cities in America - the murderer wasn't the gun. It was the thug.

    Liberals slap criminals on the wrist here. Oh and whats your crime rate over there, pretty bad i would imagine and no way to defend yourself.

    "Around the country, progressive bullies have attacked Christians for daring to put their faith ahead of the pet causes of those who feign compassion while destroying life-giving liberties. What we are seeing is a scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners approach as the wildfire burns across our land. It is not enough that Christians be quiet. Christians must be silenced and punished. Their faith cannot be respected. Legislation that ensures people are free to live and work according to their faith without fear of being punished by government must be stopped and decried as discrimination...There is one key reason that those on the Left must force their beliefs on the rest of us: if they didn't force their craziness on us, we would never embrace it." ~Erick Erickson
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    David Letterman and other idiot liberals said this was done for white nationalism, which of course would hate muslims, so thats quite a contradiction isnt it.
    that's a parody account of Davis Letterman, he didn't actually say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffblue101 View Post
    that's a parody account of Davis Letterman, he didn't actually say that.
    yes he did, i saw it on his own page, was it hacked?

    I quoted it from his own page. He blamed it on white privilege.

    "Around the country, progressive bullies have attacked Christians for daring to put their faith ahead of the pet causes of those who feign compassion while destroying life-giving liberties. What we are seeing is a scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners approach as the wildfire burns across our land. It is not enough that Christians be quiet. Christians must be silenced and punished. Their faith cannot be respected. Legislation that ensures people are free to live and work according to their faith without fear of being punished by government must be stopped and decried as discrimination...There is one key reason that those on the Left must force their beliefs on the rest of us: if they didn't force their craziness on us, we would never embrace it." ~Erick Erickson
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    yes he did, i saw it on his own page, was it hacked?

    I quoted it from his own page. He blamed it on white privilege.
    pay close attention to the twitter handle of the user you cited. @DavidLetternan ‏ is a parody of account of the real @Letterman

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffblue101 View Post
    pay close attention to the twitter handle of the user you cited. @DavidLetternan ‏ is a parody of account of the real @Letterman
    Google and other news agencies are citing it also as him saying it, show me where hes denying it, please. Also other stars are agreeing and adding their input.

    Perhaps the news article mispelled his last name, but they linked his page, i went there and verified it.

    "Around the country, progressive bullies have attacked Christians for daring to put their faith ahead of the pet causes of those who feign compassion while destroying life-giving liberties. What we are seeing is a scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners approach as the wildfire burns across our land. It is not enough that Christians be quiet. Christians must be silenced and punished. Their faith cannot be respected. Legislation that ensures people are free to live and work according to their faith without fear of being punished by government must be stopped and decried as discrimination...There is one key reason that those on the Left must force their beliefs on the rest of us: if they didn't force their craziness on us, we would never embrace it." ~Erick Erickson
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    If I didn't click on that tweet earlier today I would have thought it was legitimate tweet as well

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    Law enforcement people have known for a long time that domestic terrorism is a much larger threat to America than Muslim terrorism.

    Hopefully, this will prove to be another mentally-disturbed person, and not one more angry white guy out to get even for perceived loss of privilege.

    I suspect it will turn out that he was insane, (after all, if he wanted to take out minorities, I can't think of a worse place than a CW concert, unless it would be a NASCAR event) but we need to wait and see.
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

    Most people online don't want to be corrected. They do not care about anything that does not agree with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    Google and other news agencies are citing it also as him saying it, show me where hes denying it, please. Also other stars are agreeing and adding their input.

    Perhaps the news article mispelled his last name, but they linked his page, i went there and verified it.
    it happens a lot on twitter where troll accounts trick journalists and other famous people

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    these trolls thrive on people confusing their accounts with the real ones. that's why I make a point to click on every tweet and check the page for famous people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffblue101 View Post
    it happens a lot on twitter where troll accounts trick journalists and other famous people
    Weird, its a few years old account, and news agencies are citing it as his. The ones saying its fake are news agencies ive never heard of, google was even citing it as stand alone as tweets in response to the tragedy.

    Sorry, im going to need him say he never said it, as im not seeing detractions from main news sites, yet.

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