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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    This is a layman's discussion forum where people who mostly qualify basically as hacks come to discuss stuff with other hacks based primarily on information they glean from Wikipedia.com and Sky and Telescope magazine.
    Who else is discussing this with you? No-one, that is. And if I stop contributing here the thread dies, which is why you have kept coming back to my posts. There aren't any others, are there?

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    There is real science happening within the EU community at places like The Safire Project and elsewhere but in the context of this thread, that's entirely irrelevant.
    No, there isn't. With no attempt to make quantitative predictions that could be compared against observations, they are essentially making emotional arguments. Whatever it is, it isn't science.

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    These videos are the EU's own self-proclaimed best arguments.
    Oh dear. They have failed then, haven't they, if that's all they've got? No point continuing here. You can never persuade cranks or fundamentalists, and no-one else is reading the thread either.

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    gcthomas,

    I want you to watch these two videos. It's really just one video broken into two parts (less than 20 minutes total time). They have to do specifically with the SAFIRE project and are presented by Dr. Michael Clarage who is doing real experimental science having to do with plasma physics as it relates to planetary and stellar phenomena. I'm curious to see if you find them less objectionable than the others that have been presented.

    Charge Separation in Space - Part 1

    Charge Separation in Space - Part 2
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcthomas View Post
    Who else is discussing this with you? No-one, that is. And if I stop contributing here the thread dies, which is why you have kept coming back to my posts. There aren't any others, are there?
    Threads die when people stop posting. People who start thread tend to want to keep them from dying because they are actually interested in the topic they've brought up but that isn't why I keep "coming back to your posts". The only reason I picked you back up this time is because I was sort shocked when I realized that you had cited the exact paper that I had just finished reading less than a half hour earlier.

    No, there isn't. With no attempt to make quantitative predictions that could be compared against observations, they are essentially making emotional arguments. Whatever it is, it isn't science.
    You're wrong.

    I suspect you knew that this comment was false when you said it. Why do you say things that are so easily detected as false if not outright lies? What exactly is the point of doing that? Calvinists do this all the time when they've been argued into a corner but you've not even been engaging the debate enough to have that excuse. Are you so threatened by even the idea that real science is happening along these lines that you have to disparage even the bare notion of it?

    Oh dear. They have failed then, haven't they, if that's all they've got? No point continuing here. You can never persuade cranks or fundamentalists, and no-one else is reading the thread either.

    Saying is doesn't make it so.
    It seems that you resort to instant name calling and ridicule because you aren't capable of sustaining anything substantive. That would explain quite a lot, actually. One wonders why you bothered to ask me, "So what part of EU would you like to talk about?" Did you think I wouldn't have an answer? Did you think that would somehow stump me into stunned silence? I really don't get it.

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    Well, better late than never!

    Here's video #6....

    Top 10 Reasons the Universe is Electric #6: Charged Planets (Inner Solar System)



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    00:07
    Welcome to Space News from the Electric Universe,
    00:10
    brought to you by The Thunderbolts Project™
    00:12
    at Thunderbolts.info
    00:16
    In the first five installments of this series,
    00:19
    we outlined some of the most compelling evidence
    00:21
    that the role of electromagnetism throughout the cosmos is vastly more significant
    00:26
    than modern space science has ever entertained.
    00:29
    So far, we have explored this question through an examination of the highest-
    00:33
    energy electromagnetic phenomena at the vastest scales throughout the cosmos.
    00:38
    We now move our attention to our own celestial neighborhood
    00:42
    and the dynamic interactions between the Sun
    00:45
    and all of the bodies which move within its electrical domain.
    00:48
    Today we'll explore why planetary electrical discharges
    00:52
    are the 6th of 10 reasons why the Universe is electric.
    00:57
    Charged Planets in the Inner Solar System
    01:00
    At no time in history have human beings been more dependent
    01:04
    on electricity for everyday functioning and survival.
    01:08
    On Earth, electricity's significance both for society
    01:11
    and in nature, seems self-evident.
    01:14
    Yet in the Space Sciences many strange and outdated notions
    01:18
    about Earth's atmospheric and weather phenomena endure,
    01:21
    despite an ever growing wealth of scientific data.
    01:24
    It was in the early 20th century that the Norwegian experimentalist Kristian Birkeland
    01:29
    correctly hypothesized that electric currents from the Sun power the Earth's auroras.
    01:34
    For many decades, the scientific mainstream largely rejected the thesis
    01:39
    favoring instead the idea that Earth's magnetosphere is an impenetrable envelope
    01:44
    "squeezed" by the solar wind to induce auroral activity.
    01:48
    Only when satellites detected the magnetic signatures
    01:52
    of electric currents in the aurora in 1973,
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    was Birkeland's hypothesis irrefutably validated
    01:58
    though even today many scientists still resist the implications of the discovery.
    02:03
    In testing his ideas about the Earth-Sun connection,
    02:07
    Birkeland built a vacuum chamber and placed a magnetized metal ball
    02:11
    called a terrella inside it, representing the Earth.
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    He observed how the terrella behaved in its artificial electrically charged atmosphere.
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    In addition to solving the riddle of Earth's auroras,
    02:22
    Birkeland's electrical experiments also uncannily simulated planetary rings
    02:27
    and the energetic displays of cometary jets.
    02:31
    More than a century after Birkeland's polar expedition to investigate the Northern Lights,
    02:36
    mainstream scientists still express surprise or even astonishment
    02:40
    when they observe the tell-tale signs of electrical circuitry
    02:43
    connecting the Earth and the Sun.
    02:45
    Of course, the Earth is the most well-studied celestial object
    02:49
    and much has been learned about its electrical environment.
    02:52
    The Space Age has brought a much greater understanding of
    02:55
    the Earth's upper atmosphere and ionosphere
    02:58
    as well as the inner and outer radiation belts.
    03:01
    With greater technological data, the challenges for
    03:04
    planetary scientists to explain discovery have only increased.
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    Lightning is the most powerful electrical phenomenon on our world.
    03:12
    In near the end of the 20th century and continuing today,
    03:16
    terrestrial lightning has held new surprises for atmospheric scientists.
    03:20
    As far back as the 1960's, some airline pilots reported their observations
    03:26
    of powerful electrical discharges that appeared to originate above thunder clouds,
    03:31
    reaching towards space.
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    It wasn't until the early 1990's that scientists
    03:36
    were able to verify the phenomenon definitely exists
    03:39
    including blue jets, seen exploding from thunder clouds,
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    and enormous red sprites, even higher in the upper atmosphere.
    03:47
    Scientists today acknowledge that the phenomenon remains mysterious
    03:51
    but amazingly, above-clouds-lightning was in fact predicted nearly a century ago.
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    In the 1920's, the Scottish physicist C.T.R. Wilson
    04:01
    predicted the existence of brief flashes of light above large thunderstorms.
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    On the cause of the phenomena, an important clue was uncovered in 2001.
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    A physicist named Professor Edgar Bering
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    flew a high-altitude balloon above a thunderstorm.
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    He made the unexpected discovery that when lightning strikes occur
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    above and below the clouds, the electrical charge was already present
    04:25
    and did not take time to build up between lightning strikes.
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    This contradicts the standard notion
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    that lightning is a generator of the clear-air electric field
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    measured at about 100 V/m between the Earth and the clear sky.
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    Bering wrote on his findings that sprites and jets
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    "...may be an essential element of the Earth's global electrical circuit."
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    However, physicist Wal Thornhill notes of the standard scientific literature on our planet's
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    'Global Electrical Circuit',
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    "As big as the term 'global' sounds, the circuit is too restricted.
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    It is a circuit that assumes heat-driven convection in clouds
    05:03
    is the global electricity generator.
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    This generator mysteriously separates electric charge in storm clouds
    05:10
    to power world-wide currents.
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    However, the circuit is 'unplugged'.
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    It is isolated from electrical connection with anything else in the universe.
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    Such a lack of a holistic or cosmic-scale vision
    05:23
    is a fundamental constraint on theorists."
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    In the Electric Universe, the ultimate circuitry driving atmospheric and weather phenomena
    05:30
    is the electric current system connecting planets and the Sun.
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    In recent years, it has become increasingly evident that the Sun
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    affects our own planet's atmosphere and weather
    05:40
    in ways that standard theorists had never imagined.
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    In 2014, we reported on the discovery that charged particles from the Sun
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    appear linked to increased lightning on Earth.
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    According to an article on the Institute of Physics website, a team of scientists,
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    "...found a substantial and significant increase in lightning rates across Europe
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    for up to 40 days after the arrival of high-speed solar winds."
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    And indeed, the ramifications of the confirmation
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    of Kristian Birkeland's thesis on the Earth's auroras
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    become more and more evident with each new discovery.
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    Earlier this year, the ESA Swarm mission reported the groundbreaking discovery of
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    "supersonic plasma jets" high up in Earth's atmosphere
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    which can push temperatures up to 10,000ºC.
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    A phys.org report on the discovery stated,
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    "The theory that there are huge electric currents, powered by solar wind
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    and guided through the ionosphere by Earth's magnetic field,
    06:37
    was postulated more than a century ago by Norwegian scientist Kristian Birkeland...
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    While much is known about these current systems, recent observations
    06:45
    have revealed that they are associated with large electrical fields."
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    The existence of Birkeland currents in space is now confirmed by scientific discovery.
    06:55
    But of course, many differences remain between the standard
    06:58
    interpretation and predictions and those of the Electric Universe.
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    The notion that celestial objects cannot have an excess of charge
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    is a guiding principle of astronomy.
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    Yet as Thunderbolts' colleague, Dr. Michael Clarage, explained in his 2014 presentation
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    'Earth's Electric Environment',
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    "Overall charge neutrality is not really the point.
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    A battery that you hold in your hand has no overall charge on it.
    07:23
    But the point is that we've separated the charge in it so it can do work."
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    And as we will see as we continue, charge exchange between celestial bodies
    07:32
    seen most dramatically between the Sun and the planets in its domain,
    07:36
    is the most promising explanation for many spectacular atmospheric phenomena
    07:40
    that remain unexplained in standard astronomy.
    07:44
    As we turn our attention to our planetary neighbors,
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    we see the need for a new understanding of all forms of lightning on our own world.
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    When the, then Soviet Union's, Venera probes
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    touched down on the planet Venus more than half a century ago,
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    they recorded surprising evidence of lightning
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    that was much more frequent and powerful than earthly lightning.
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    Yet Venus has no water clouds which means that
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    the electrical discharges traversed directly from the ionosphere to the ground.
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    In a scientific paper on the Venera discoveries,
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    planetary scientist professor Donald Hunten wrote:
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    "The indications are that lightning is likely to occur
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    in any substantial planetary atmosphere.
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    Theories of electrification are faced with the need to explain its presence
    08:28
    under a wide variety of circumstances and atmospheric conditions."
    08:32
    The so-called "strange magnetic ropes" detected in Venus's atmosphere
    08:37
    are evidence of its electrical connection to the Sun
    08:39
    which is more direct than the Earth's.
    08:42
    The mysterious ropes' twisted filamentary structure
    08:45
    reveals the electric currents required to sustain the detected magnetism.
    08:50
    Incoming electrical currents open the doorway to explain
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    many mysterious atmospheric and weather phenomena on Venus.
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    In 2006, the ESA's Venus Express satellite recorded the astonishing images
    09:03
    of a twin cyclone above Venus's south pole.
    09:06
    For reasons that still elude planetary scientists,
    09:10
    the cyclone structure constantly evolves
    09:13
    and it appears to be a permanent fixture at the South Pole.
    09:16
    However, we see not the first instance when science discovery
    09:19
    has confirmed a seemingly preposterous prediction of the Electric Universe theory.
    09:24
    In 2005, when scientists using the Keck Observatory
    09:27
    discovered a warm vortex at the South Pole of Saturn,
    09:31
    Thornhill made a prediction that could only seem preposterous
    09:34
    from a conventional viewpoint.
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    He wrote:
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    "The Electric Universe predicts, experimentum crucis,
    09:41
    that BOTH poles should be hot, not one hot and the other cold."
    09:45
    In 2008, NASA's Cassini scientists were astonished to discover
    09:50
    a mysterious hot spot at Saturn's north pole.
    09:53
    This was astonishing because the freezing pole
    09:56
    had been deprived of sunlight for over 12 years.
    09:59
    On Venus, twin tornadoes have been observed at both poles.
    10:04
    This is important, because the Electric Universe states that the Sun's electrical input
    10:09
    generally occurs at the poles of planets
    10:12
    which we usually see in the form of auroras.
    10:15
    As we see, the constantly shifting structure of the south polar vortex
    10:19
    seems strikingly reminiscent of the spiral galaxies' forms
    10:23
    reproduced by plasma scientist Dr. Anthony Peratt's simulations
    10:27
    of two current filaments interacting in a plasma.
    10:30
    In the Electric Universe, the incoming electrical currents
    10:34
    are also the driver of Venus's mysterious superfast winds
    10:39
    which are difficult for conventional meteorology to explain.
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    Cloud movement show a four-day rotation period of the upper atmosphere at the equator
    10:48
    which declines to two days toward the poles.
    10:51
    Within the framework of standard theory,
    10:53
    no force is present to drive the upper winds around the planet at such a speed
    10:58
    since Venus itself has a rotational period of 243 days retrograde
    11:04
    and the planet's lower winds are exceptionally sluggish.
    11:07
    Since the planet is the same temperature overall,
    11:10
    there is no temperature gradient to drive these winds either.
    11:14
    In recent years, it was reported that the superfast winds of Venus
    11:18
    have actually been steadily accelerating for a decade.
    11:22
    This is explained through analogy to the simplest electrical motor
    11:26
    called a Faraday disk motor.
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    The Faraday disk motor requires only a magnetic field and a disk conductor
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    or something symmetrical.
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    When a current is directed inward to the poles of the object and out at the equator,
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    it will cause the object to rotate.
    11:41
    We note that while the Venusian winds were found to be accelerating,
    11:45
    scientists found that the planet's rotation was mysteriously slowing down.
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    In the Electric Universe theory as developed by Wal Thornhill,
    11:54
    the deposition or extraction of charge from an object will change its mass,
    11:59
    and therefore its rotation rate
    12:01
    which has been observed on Earth in small changes of the Earth's rotation
    12:05
    called glitches,
    12:06
    when we receive a large blast of charged particles from the Sun.
    12:10
    On Venus, both the accelerating winds and the planet's slowing rotation
    12:15
    could be due to a variation in the incoming electrical current flow.
    12:20
    As we turn our attention to Mars, mysterious wind and atmospheric phenomena
    12:24
    again point to the planet's dynamic interactions with its electrical space environment.
    12:30
    Mars has an atmosphere only around 0.5% as dense as Earth's
    12:35
    so it has been a puzzle for decades why powerful dust storms
    12:38
    sometimes encompass the entire planet.
    12:41
    How is the dust removed from the soil and accelerated into massive clouds,
    12:46
    sometimes up to hundreds of miles per hour in the near vacuum of the Martian atmosphere?
    12:51
    Adding to the mystery, when the most dramatic dust-storm ever seen on the planet occurred,
    12:56
    it involved packed congregations of dust devils,
    12:59
    a completely unexpected feature in standard meteorology.
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    In conventional theory, an atmospheric vortex
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    requires a vastly larger circulation of wind
    13:10
    than what is clearly seen in edge-on pictures of storm fronts on Mars.
    13:14
    Electrically speaking, what produces a global Martian dust storm
    13:19
    and other tremendous dust-raising events on the Red Planet?
    13:22
    To begin to get an idea, let us consider the dust devils
    13:26
    seen in association with the global storms.
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    The so-called dust devils on Mars are so enormous and energetic,
    13:32
    they routinely dwarf Earthly tornadoes.
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    A NASA press release describes a typical Martian dust devil as a,
    13:39
    "...monster column towering kilometers high and hundreds of meters wide,
    13:44
    10 times larger than any tornado on Earth."
    13:48
    The reason meteorologists call them "dust devils" instead of tornadoes,
    13:52
    is because they are not associated with water-laden storm clouds
    13:56
    which don't exist on Mars.
    13:58
    The powerful electric fields associated with dust devils, both on Mars and on Earth,
    14:03
    are now acknowledged in scientific literature.
    14:06
    But meteorologists can only look to solar heating,
    14:09
    air convection and dust particle friction as their cause.
    14:13
    The electrical nature of the tornadic dust fountains on Mars
    14:17
    may be better understood through an examination of their cousins,
    14:21
    water spouts.
    14:22
    A great breakthrough in understanding water spouts
    14:24
    came from the work of Russian plasma physicist V.A. Rantsev-Kartinov.
    14:29
    From his investigation, he concluded that these phenomena
    14:32
    are the result of a long-lasting discharge current
    14:35
    between the plasma networks of a water surface
    14:38
    and the electrical charge of the clouds above.
    14:41
    Both the rotation and the narrow coherent and undulating funnels of water spouts
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    are thus explained in terms of plasma discharge behavior.
    14:50
    All of this relates to the unfounded assumption of planetary scientists
    14:54
    that mechanical processes must separate charge wherever they see electrical activity.
    14:59
    The Electric Universe's counter viewpoint on Martian wind and weather
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    is summarized in a 2005 Thunderbolts Picture Of the Day article.
    15:08
    It states:
    15:09
    "Since Mars has no thunderstorms to 'charge-up its ionosphere',
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    it should present a good case study of the Electric Universe.
    15:17
    The electrical model predicts that the Martian ionosphere is indeed charged,
    15:22
    and it posits no isolated dynamo to 'separate charge'.
    15:26
    On Mars, electrical effects will reach directly from the ionosphere to the surface
    15:31
    without the ameliorating leakage via storm clouds that we see on Earth.
    15:35
    Unlike radiant energy from the Sun,
    15:38
    electrical energy can accumulate in the 'planetary capacitor' for some time,
    15:43
    with a potential for planet-altering events when the atmosphere finally 'breaks down'
    15:48
    and massive discharge activity is initiated."
    15:51
    The Thunderbolts article also offered the following prediction:
    15:54
    "The intensity and number of dust devils will be affected
    15:57
    by solar outbursts and the planet's elliptical orbit."
    16:01
    In fact, in recent years the electrical interpretation
    16:05
    of dramatic Martian dust-raising events has been stunningly confirmed.
    16:09
    In 2012, amateur astronomers first spotted seemingly inexplicable plumes
    16:15
    rising hundreds of kilometers above the surface of Mars.
    16:18
    In 2016, scientists using the Mars Express spacecraft
    16:23
    discovered something completely unexpected to planetary scientists.
    16:27
    A coronal mass-ejection hit Mars immediately before the plume was first spotted.
    16:32
    The leader of a team of scientists said of the discovery,
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    "It's very surprising that was affecting Mars
    16:38
    right before the plume was first observed."
    16:40
    And of course, the electrical nature of the event seems undeniable.
    16:45
    The 2016 New Scientist report states:
    16:49
    "One possibility is that plasma could be interacting with ice grains or dust
    16:53
    lower down in the atmosphere and electrically charging them, boosting them higher,
    16:58
    but it's not clear how the effect would be big."
    17:01
    An analogue to the Martian dust raising events
    17:04
    might be the electrostatic dust storms that are now known to occur on the Moon
    17:08
    when it encounters the Earth's magnetotail once a month.
    17:11
    We also note that when the largest global dust storm on Mars began in 2001,
    17:17
    Mars had reached opposition
    17:19
    and was the closest that had been to Earth in about 12 years.
    17:22
    As noted at the beginning of this video,
    17:24
    planetary scientists are only now recognizing
    17:27
    the pervasive electric current systems on our own planet
    17:31
    which were postulated more than a century ago by Kristian Birkeland.
    17:35
    Of course on Mars, far less is known
    17:38
    but NASA's MAVEN mission has provided important new data and insights.
    17:43
    One of many surprising findings was characterized as follows in a 2015 NASA press release:
    17:49
    "NASA's... (MAVEN) spacecraft has observed
    17:51
    two unexpected phenomena in the Martian atmosphere:
    17:54
    an unexplained high-altitude dust cloud and aurora
    17:58
    that reaches deep into the Martian atmosphere...
    18:01
    The presence of the dust at orbital altitudes
    18:04
    from about 93 miles to 190 miles above the surface was not predicted."
    18:09
    As mission scientist Laila Anderson stated,
    18:11
    "If the dust originates from the atmosphere,
    18:14
    this suggests we are missing some fundamental process in the Martian atmosphere."
    18:18
    Also surprising to MAVEN scientists was the discovery
    18:22
    of a highly energetic glowing aurora
    18:25
    that reaches shockingly deep into the Martian atmosphere.
    18:28
    As one team member stated,
    18:30
    "What's especially surprising about the aurora we saw
    18:33
    is how deep in the atmosphere it occurs
    18:36
    -- much deeper than at Earth or elsewhere on Mars.
    18:39
    The electrons producing it must be energetic."
    18:42
    As the NASA press release explains,
    18:45
    "MAVEN's Solar Energetic Particle instrument
    18:47
    detected a huge surge in energetic electrons at the onset of the aurora."
    18:52
    Today, within the Electric Universe community,
    18:55
    experimental research such as that which Birkeland pioneered, continues.
    19:00
    Through simple experiments with electric fields, we see the routine replication
    19:05
    of many atmospheric, weather and geological phenomena.
    19:09
    These experimental analogs place the endless surprising space discoveries
    19:14
    in an entirely new light
    19:16
    and emphasize the desperate need for a new perspective in planetary science.
    19:21
    One which recognizes charge exchange between celestial bodies.
    19:26
    In our next installment of this series, we will turn our attention
    19:29
    to the gas giants in the outer solar system
    19:32
    whose dynamic electrical environments
    19:35
    offer further testimony that the Universe is electric.
    19:40
    For continuous updates on Space News from the Electric Universe,
    19:44
    stay tuned to
    19:45
    Thunderbolts.info
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    In video six we're presented with some of their strongest arguments pertaining to the idea that the planets are electrically connected (to the Sun primarily). The strongest part of the argument is that they mention quite a few predictions that the electric universe theory has made and then discuss how what has been found fits with those predictions but, as I've mentioned earlier in the thread, the idea that the Sun is actually a purely electrical phenomenon is one major aspect of the EU that I just cannot buy into at all and as a result much of their electric solar system model is pretty hard to swallow as well.

    I would say, however, that the information presented in the video does lend a lot of credence to the notion that electricity plays a bigger role in planetary phenomena than is generally thought. There is a correlation between the Solar wind and electrical activity and Earth quakes here on Earth and there seems to be a similar correlation with dust storms and giant "dust devils" on Mars. And, while I acknowledge that the persistent vortexes at Venus' south pole are intriguing and all but impossible to explain conventionally, it seems a bit of a stretch to me to suggest that its an electrical/plasma related process. I'll accept it as a possibility but it doesn't seem likely. It comes off as one example of how the people in the EU community see electricity behind every cosmic bush.

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    One video every 6 weeks or so. I had no idea it would take this long for them to publish these videos.

    Here's video #7....

    Top 10 Reasons the Universe is Electric #7: Charged Planets (Outer Solar System)



    Transcript...

    Spoiler

    00:06
    welcome to space news from the electric
    00:08
    universe brought to you by the
    00:10
    thunderbolts project at Thunder bolts
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    dot info on this series we have
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    presented evidence for a dramatically
    00:20
    new way of viewing all celestial bodies
    00:22
    in an electric universe no where can one
    00:26
    find a quote island in space across vast
    00:29
    cosmic distances electric currents flow
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    through the conductive medium of plasma
    00:34
    electromagnetically pinching gas and
    00:37
    dust to form stars and planets in our
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    last episode we focused on the
    00:42
    electrical circuitry in our own
    00:43
    celestial neighborhood in the inner
    00:45
    solar system connecting the Sun to all
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    the planets including the earth today we
    00:51
    shift our focus to the outer solar
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    system further tremendous electrified
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    environments of the gas giants Saturn
    00:57
    and Jupiter are the seventh of ten
    00:59
    reasons why the universe is electric
    01:02
    charged planets in the outer solar
    01:05
    system the NASA missions Juno and
    01:08
    Cassini to Jupiter and Saturn
    01:10
    respectively have provided data that
    01:12
    could shake planetary science to its
    01:14
    core the discoveries dramatically
    01:17
    highlight the failures of standard
    01:18
    theory versus the successful predictions
    01:21
    of the electric universe we begin an
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    exploration of the Juno discoveries
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    which in the words of NASA investigators
    01:28
    have proved that scientists fundamental
    01:30
    ideas about the Jovian atmosphere were
    01:33
    quote totally wrong one of the greatest
    01:36
    surprises the team first reported was
    01:38
    that Jupiter's magnetic field which was
    01:40
    already thought to be tremendously
    01:41
    powerful is twice as strong as
    01:44
    previously believed the turbulent Jovian
    01:47
    atmosphere has also proved quote
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    mind-boggling with rapidly changing
    01:51
    cyclones at the planets poles proving
    01:54
    far more dramatic and quote weird than
    01:56
    investigators had imagined as Juno
    01:59
    principal investigator Scott Bolton
    02:00
    stated had someone showed me a picture
    02:03
    of the pole just ten years ago I never
    02:05
    would have guessed it was Jupiter
    02:07
    scientists estimates of the planet's
    02:09
    internal structure have proved equally
    02:11
    troubling Scott Boldin's
    02:13
    in a January 10 2018 article on
    02:16
    space.com
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    our ideas were totally wrong about the
    02:20
    interior structure about the atmosphere
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    and even about the magnetosphere the
    02:25
    article continues astronomers believe
    02:28
    that Jupiter had either a very small and
    02:30
    dense core or perhaps no core at all but
    02:34
    data from Juno revealed that Jupiter has
    02:36
    an enormous quote fuzzy core that might
    02:38
    be partially dissolved this discrepancy
    02:41
    between scientists expectations and the
    02:43
    data suggests that there's a lot we
    02:45
    still don't know about giant gas planets
    02:48
    Bolton explained a critical clue to the
    02:51
    missing theoretical foundations for
    02:53
    investigators is found in the following
    02:55
    statement from the space.com report
    02:58
    strangely Aurora's on Jupiter's seem to
    03:00
    be powered by a mysterious physical
    03:02
    force that astronomers haven't been able
    03:05
    to identify according to the
    03:07
    mathematical calculations
    03:09
    Jupiter's ax wars should be about 10 to
    03:11
    30 times more energetic than Earth's but
    03:14
    Jupiter's Cina roars that are hundreds
    03:16
    of times stronger for no apparent reason
    03:18
    scientists had long proposed that a kind
    03:21
    of localized charge separation produced
    03:23
    Jupiter's x-ray Aurora's in the planets
    03:26
    interaction with so-called volcanic
    03:28
    plumes from its moons that perspective
    03:31
    was summarized as follows by NASA
    03:33
    investigator Randy Gladstone the
    03:36
    volcanic moon Io spews oxygen and sulfur
    03:39
    ions into Jupiter's spinning magnetic
    03:41
    field somehow these ions make their way
    03:44
    to Jupiter's poles where electric fields
    03:47
    send them hurtling toward the planet
    03:49
    below upon entering the atmosphere there
    03:52
    are electrons our first stripped away by
    03:54
    molecules they run into but as they slow
    03:56
    down they start grabbing electrons back
    03:59
    the quote charged exchange reaction
    04:01
    produces intense x-ray Aurora's and here
    04:05
    we see perhaps the fundamental source of
    04:07
    countless surprises for space scientists
    04:09
    at all scales throughout the cosmos the
    04:12
    belief that no celestial object can have
    04:15
    a net electrical charge but this
    04:18
    antiquated perspective is now refuted as
    04:21
    reported in an October 2017 science blog
    04:25
    by author Emily under
    04:26
    would entitled can large electric fields
    04:29
    power Jupiter's x-ray Aurora's the data
    04:32
    revealed particle signatures of parallel
    04:34
    electrical fields over the poles of
    04:36
    Jupiter that forced electrons near the
    04:38
    poles upward away from the planet while
    04:41
    protons and other ions move downward
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    into the atmosphere
    04:45
    this massive electric potential upward
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    of a million electron volts provides a
    04:50
    possible explanation of where the x-ray
    04:53
    Aurora's get their energy according to
    04:55
    the authors it's always been the
    04:57
    electric universe position that the
    04:59
    tremendously powerful Jovian Aurora's
    05:02
    the weird in turbulent polar storms and
    05:04
    the planets tremendously powerful
    05:07
    magnetic field are all ultimately
    05:09
    induced by electrical berkland currents
    05:12
    from the Sun focused at the planets
    05:14
    poles as noted many times on this series
    05:17
    in recent years retired professor of
    05:19
    electrical engineering dr. Donald Scott
    05:22
    has developed a mathematical modeling of
    05:24
    the structure of a berkland current
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    identified visually as counter rotating
    05:29
    cylinders clearly seen in the earthly
    05:31
    Aurora's and dramatically at the poles
    05:34
    of both Saturn and is seen on your
    05:36
    screen in the at least 15 counter
    05:39
    rotating cylinders at the North Pole of
    05:41
    Jupiter a law of physics consistently
    05:44
    stated on this series is that electric
    05:46
    currents and only electric currents
    05:49
    produce magnetic fields neither the
    05:51
    Earth's nor any planets magnetic field
    05:54
    is produced through an internal dynamo
    05:56
    and all of the Juno data clearly
    05:58
    supports this claim mission scientists
    06:01
    acknowledged that all of the models
    06:02
    which imagined a dynamo deep within the
    06:05
    planet have been refuted as reported by
    06:08
    New Scientist comm a shock is that
    06:10
    Jupiter's huge magnetic field is even
    06:13
    stronger and much more irregular than
    06:15
    expected the irregularity of the field
    06:18
    so far is a sign that the Dynamo driving
    06:21
    it may originate higher up in Jupiter's
    06:23
    interior perhaps from a layer of
    06:25
    metallic hydrogen Scott Bolton stated I
    06:28
    didn't expect all the theories to be
    06:30
    wrong but there's motion going on in the
    06:33
    planet we did not anticipate but the
    06:35
    quote wrongness of all the standard
    06:38
    theoretical
    06:38
    fiction's has not forced investigators
    06:41
    to consider what electric universe
    06:42
    proponents have always argued that the
    06:45
    source of Jupiter's magnetic field does
    06:47
    not come from inside the planet at all
    06:49
    but rather it is induced by berkland
    06:52
    currents whose signature is clearly seen
    06:54
    at the planets poles it has also been
    06:57
    the prediction of the electric universe
    06:58
    that are far more immense electrical
    07:00
    circuitry exists in the Jovian system
    07:02
    connecting the gas giant to its moons
    07:05
    then standard astronomy has ever
    07:07
    envisioned it's critical to note that
    07:09
    according to recent scientific research
    07:11
    by the Cassini mission at Saturn the
    07:13
    spacecraft's magnetometer had only been
    07:16
    able to detect about 5% of the electric
    07:19
    currents in the so-called plumes of the
    07:21
    Saturnian moon Enceladus according to
    07:24
    data from Cassini's Langmuir probe the
    07:26
    electric currents may in fact exceed 10
    07:28
    million amps likewise the electric
    07:31
    current system at Jupiter is the real
    07:33
    cause of the dramatic electrical
    07:35
    discharges seen on the Jovian moon Io
    07:38
    which astronomers have long erroneously
    07:40
    identified as quote volcanic plumes but
    07:44
    the notion that the so-called plumes are
    07:46
    produced by cryovolcanism has been
    07:48
    repeatedly refuted by discovery one of
    07:51
    the most surprising features of the
    07:52
    so-called plumes was their filamentary
    07:54
    structure the official Wikipedia page on
    07:57
    the vast tar Patera region on Io states
    08:00
    that the more than 300 kilometer high
    08:02
    quote plume displays quote an as yet
    08:05
    unexplained filamentary structure but as
    08:08
    we've outlined many times this statement
    08:11
    is factually incorrect as early as 1979
    08:15
    the renowned astrophysicist Thomas gold
    08:17
    proposed that the so-called volcanism on
    08:19
    Io is actually high-energy electrical
    08:22
    discharge activity nine years later
    08:25
    plasma physicist dr. Anthony Pratt and
    08:28
    co-author Alex Destler wrote in their
    08:30
    scientific paper that the best analog
    08:32
    for IO so-called plumes is the plasma
    08:35
    gun a mechanism that produces the
    08:37
    distinct filamentary structure that is
    08:39
    never present in volcanic plumes in 1996
    08:44
    prior to the arrival of the Galileo
    08:46
    probe in IO physicist wal Thornhill made
    08:49
    a series of predictions including the
    08:52
    so-called plumes would be found to move
    08:53
    across the surface of the Moon the quote
    08:56
    vents of the plumes would be vastly
    08:58
    hotter than the expected temperatures of
    09:00
    lava and the plumes are in fact the Jets
    09:03
    of moving cathode arcs eroding the
    09:06
    periphery of the dark areas that
    09:08
    planetary geologists had been calling
    09:10
    lava lakes
    09:11
    according to Thornhill these so-called
    09:13
    lava lakes are the solid dark surface of
    09:16
    Io beneath the quote snow that has been
    09:18
    deposited by continuous discharge
    09:20
    activity therefore the quote lava lakes
    09:24
    would not reveal the heat of a recent
    09:26
    lava flow all of these predictions
    09:28
    received stunning confirmation iOS quote
    09:32
    volcanic hot spots were not only hotter
    09:34
    than any lava on earth they were too hot
    09:37
    to be measured by Galileo's instruments
    09:40
    also as predicted by Thornhill the
    09:42
    discharging was focused on the edges of
    09:45
    the so-called lava lakes
    09:46
    though the rest of these dark fields are
    09:48
    comparatively cold in fact the expected
    09:51
    volcanic vents were not found inspiring
    09:55
    further astonishment the quote volcanic
    09:57
    plumes emit ultraviolet light which is
    10:00
    unthinkable
    10:01
    under normal conditions of volcanic
    10:03
    venting but which of course is
    10:05
    characteristic of an electric arc
    10:07
    nevertheless space scientists today
    10:10
    still insist that IO is the most
    10:12
    volcanically active body in the solar
    10:14
    system the cryovolcanism or ice
    10:17
    volcanoes that scientists envision is
    10:19
    produced by Jupiter quote
    10:21
    gravitationally needing the moon to
    10:23
    induce tidal heating producing volcanic
    10:26
    eruptions however in 2013 scientific
    10:29
    reports revealed that iOS so-called
    10:32
    volcanoes are in the quote
    10:33
    wrong locations according to the
    10:36
    predictions of every existing tidal
    10:38
    heating model as noted in a 2013
    10:41
    Huffington Post report iOS major
    10:44
    volcanic activity is concentrated 30 to
    10:47
    60 degrees farther east than models of
    10:49
    its internal heat profile predict
    10:52
    suggesting that the exotic volcanic
    10:54
    Jupiter moon is even more mysterious
    10:56
    than researchers had previously thought
    10:58
    as noted by the lead author of a
    11:01
    paper Christopher Hamilton the findings
    11:04
    quote can't be reconciled with any
    11:07
    existing solid-body tidal heating model
    11:10
    as mentioned the Saturnian moon
    11:13
    enceladus displays filamentary jets
    11:15
    similar to the electrical discharges
    11:17
    seen on Io
    11:18
    planetary scientists interpret these
    11:21
    explosive features at enceladus's South
    11:23
    Pole as quote ice geysers and plumes
    11:26
    produced by cryovolcanism but it's
    11:29
    critical to remember that before the
    11:31
    Cassini team discovered the features
    11:33
    more than a decade ago scientists had
    11:35
    expected the moon to be geologically
    11:36
    dead and the last place they expected
    11:39
    such activity was the moon's South Pole
    11:41
    as reported by space.com the finding
    11:45
    flipped everything scientists knew about
    11:47
    Enceladus on its head because what
    11:50
    should have been a dead moon appeared to
    11:51
    be geologically active and what was
    11:54
    supposed to be the moon's coldest region
    11:56
    turned out to be its warmest as in the
    11:58
    electrical circuitry of the Jovian
    12:00
    system where the electrical footprints
    12:03
    of the moons have been seen in Jupiter's
    12:05
    aurora the electric currents connecting
    12:07
    Saturn and Enceladus are now recognized
    12:09
    by planetary scientists and like the
    12:12
    tidal heating models for IO new
    12:15
    discoveries have only proved
    12:16
    increasingly problematic for the theory
    12:19
    of so-called cryovolcanism on Enceladus
    12:21
    in 2016
    12:24
    scientists were amazed to discover that
    12:26
    when Jets of dust and water vapor
    12:28
    explode into space when Enceladus is at
    12:31
    its farthest from Saturn the amount of
    12:33
    gas accompanying the outbursts is
    12:35
    anomalously low as summarized by
    12:38
    space.com
    12:39
    the researchers expected quite a lot
    12:41
    more gas expelled at the far part of
    12:44
    Enceladus is orbit to help explain the
    12:46
    outpouring of dust but they found that
    12:48
    gas output had bumped up by just 20% far
    12:52
    less than expected the team had focused
    12:55
    on a specific collimated jet that was
    12:57
    part of a large water plume the leader
    12:59
    of the studies said of the findings we
    13:02
    had thought the amount of water vapor in
    13:04
    the overall plume across the whole south
    13:06
    polar area was being strongly affected
    13:09
    by tidal forces from Saturn
    13:11
    instead we find that the small-scale
    13:13
    Jets are what's changing hypothetical
    13:16
    cryovolcanoes resulted from tidal forces
    13:19
    are not necessary to explain the
    13:21
    stupendous filamentary structures on
    13:23
    Enceladus and IO more than a sufficient
    13:26
    basis exists to finally consider the
    13:28
    electrical interpretation as we focus
    13:31
    our attention on the gas giant Saturn
    13:33
    and the stunning data from NASA's
    13:35
    Cassini mission we again see numerous
    13:38
    opportunities to test the predictions of
    13:40
    the electric universe versus those of
    13:42
    standard theory in fact for over a
    13:44
    decade data from the Cassini spacecraft
    13:47
    has confirmed many of these predictions
    13:49
    all of which were completely unexpected
    13:51
    in standard reasoning in 2005 wal
    13:55
    Thornhill published his analysis of
    13:57
    scientists discovery of a quote warm
    14:00
    polar vortex at Saturn's South Pole he
    14:03
    also offered an explicit prediction the
    14:06
    electric universe also predicts
    14:08
    experiment and Cruces that both poles
    14:11
    should be hot not one hot and the other
    14:14
    cold in 2008 the Cassini spacecraft
    14:17
    confirmed the astonishing prediction
    14:20
    astonishing because the freezing cold
    14:22
    north pole had been deprived of sunlight
    14:24
    for more than 12 years the author of a
    14:27
    paper on the discovery stated we didn't
    14:30
    expect it to have a hot spot at the
    14:32
    North from the electrical perspective it
    14:34
    is not coincidental that the hot spot is
    14:37
    located quote smack dab in the center of
    14:40
    the north polar vortex like the planet
    14:43
    Venus --is polar vortexes Saturn's north
    14:46
    polar hotspot and the vortex structure
    14:48
    in which it is located is created by a
    14:51
    flow of electric current along magnetic
    14:53
    field lines to the pole
    14:55
    in fact the sun's electromagnetic
    14:56
    relationship with Saturn is also a
    14:59
    stunning recent revelation in 2016
    15:03
    scientists reported their first ever
    15:05
    observation of so-called magnetic ropes
    15:07
    traversing the vast distance between the
    15:10
    Sun and the gas giant the lead author of
    15:13
    a paper in the Geophysical Research
    15:14
    Letters says of the finding contrary to
    15:17
    previous ideas about Saturn's
    15:19
    magnetosphere being unlike its
    15:21
    terrestrial counterpart these findings
    15:24
    reveal that Saturn
    15:25
    time's behaves and interacts with the
    15:27
    Sun in much the same way as Earth but
    15:30
    how can the fluid dynamics that NASA
    15:32
    envisions explained quote rope-like
    15:34
    structures that twist and change
    15:36
    dynamically and extend the nearly 900
    15:39
    million miles from the Sun to Saturn the
    15:42
    so called magnetic ropes are in fact
    15:44
    twisted filament ori pathways traversed
    15:46
    by electrically charged particles again
    15:49
    the signature of berkland currents
    15:52
    counter-rotating cylinders are clearly
    15:54
    seen here at the North Pole of Saturn
    15:56
    like the Juno data from Jupiter the
    15:59
    Cassini mission must force a dramatic
    16:01
    reconsideration of the real cause of
    16:04
    Saturn's magnetic field again the
    16:06
    findings do not fit with the predictions
    16:09
    based on the belief that the magnetic
    16:10
    field is generated by an internal dynamo
    16:13
    deep within the planet a major surprise
    16:16
    is that Saturn's magnetic field appears
    16:18
    to have no discernable tilt as reported
    16:22
    by Imperial College London based on data
    16:24
    collected by Cassini's magnetometer
    16:27
    instrument Saturn's magnetic field
    16:29
    appears to be surprisingly well aligned
    16:31
    with the planets rotation axis
    16:33
    previously mission scientists thought
    16:35
    that 0.06 degrees would be the lower
    16:38
    limit of tilt that could generate the
    16:40
    observed magnetic field however the
    16:43
    results show that the tilt may be much
    16:44
    less than this scientists currently
    16:47
    think that planetary magnetic fields
    16:49
    require some degree of tilt in order to
    16:52
    sustain currents flowing through the
    16:54
    liquid metal deep inside the planets
    16:56
    with no tilt the currents would
    16:58
    eventually subside and the field would
    17:00
    disappear
    17:01
    professor michelle dougherty stated the
    17:04
    tilt seems to be much smaller than we
    17:06
    had previously estimated and quite
    17:08
    challenging to explain
    17:09
    additionally the Cassini mission
    17:11
    provides the opportunity to test the
    17:13
    electrical model of the Saturnian rings
    17:16
    whose earliest origins traced to the
    17:18
    experimental work of norwegian explorer
    17:20
    and scientist Kristian Birkeland well
    17:23
    over a century ago
    17:24
    Brooklyn's famous magnetized torella
    17:27
    simulated the earthly Aurora's
    17:29
    revolutionary research that standard
    17:32
    astronomy largely dismissed until
    17:34
    berkland was finally validated more than
    17:36
    half a century after his death the
    17:39
    torella experiments also produced
    17:41
    intriguing rings which led berkland to
    17:44
    systematically simulate the rings of
    17:46
    Saturn he found that the Rings could be
    17:48
    easily reproduced simply by changing the
    17:51
    polarity of the electrical discharge and
    17:54
    now a Langmuir probe onboard the Cassini
    17:57
    spacecraft has made yet another
    17:59
    unexpected discovery for mission
    18:01
    scientists a strong electrical chemical
    18:04
    coupling between Saturn's atmosphere and
    18:06
    its rings as described on space
    18:09
    daily.com on December 12 2017 the upper
    18:13
    atmosphere of Saturn is charged and
    18:15
    consists primarily of hydrogen and
    18:18
    hydrogen ions strong variations in
    18:21
    density indicate that the electrically
    18:22
    charged part of Saturn's atmosphere the
    18:25
    so called ionosphere has a strong
    18:27
    coupling to the visible rings that
    18:29
    consist primarily of ice particles the
    18:32
    ice particles are also electrically
    18:34
    charged the principle investigator of
    18:36
    the leg Mir probe data stated the first
    18:39
    results are surprising it is as though
    18:42
    the small ice particles in the D ring
    18:44
    suck up electrons from the ionosphere as
    18:47
    a result of the coupling electrical
    18:49
    flows of gas to and from the rings along
    18:52
    the magnetic field of Saturn caused the
    18:54
    greatest variations in density like
    18:57
    Jupiter the tremendously electrified
    18:59
    Saturnian environment is undeniable many
    19:03
    planetary scientists had long proposed
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    that Saturn's rings are billions of
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    years old perhaps even forming with
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    Saturn itself in the conjectured infancy
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    of the solar system but in August of
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    this year
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    the Cassini team attempted to estimate
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    the mass of the Rings in order to guess
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    the rings age the idea is that a great
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    mass would be required for the Rings to
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    withstand erosion from collisions over
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    time however as noted in a BBC report it
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    is looking like the opposite may
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    actually be true that their mass is less
    19:35
    than previously estimated if confirmed
    19:38
    it points to the Rings being the
    19:40
    remnants of some object that has broken
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    apart around Saturn in the recent past
    19:45
    Cassini project scientists Linda spill
    19:47
    curse stated if the rings are less
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    massive they won't have had the mass to
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    survive the micrometeoroid bombardment
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    that we estimate to have happened since
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    the formation of the planet so we're
    19:58
    heading in the direction of the Rings
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    being perhaps 100 million years old or
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    so which is quite young compared to the
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    age of the solar system but the chief
    20:07
    principles of the Thunderbolts project
    20:09
    have offered a radically different
    20:10
    recent history of Saturn and all of the
    20:13
    solar system history that includes an
    20:16
    understanding of the electrical nature
    20:18
    of stars and the electrical expulsion
    20:20
    and capture of planets and moons in this
    20:23
    thesis it is not possible to calculate
    20:25
    the density of celestial bodies by
    20:28
    estimating their mass using newton's law
    20:30
    of gravity in the electrical model of
    20:33
    stars one cannot classify stars and gas
    20:36
    giant planets based under calculated
    20:39
    mass stars are an electrical discharge
    20:41
    phenomenon and their electrical
    20:43
    environment determines their mass
    20:45
    appearance and classification our chief
    20:48
    principles have proposed the provocative
    20:50
    hypothesis that in the relatively recent
    20:52
    past Saturn was an independent brown
    20:55
    dwarf star with its own family of
    20:58
    clothes orbiting small planets and with
    21:00
    its ephemeral rings being recently
    21:02
    ejected within the last tens of
    21:04
    thousands of years this thesis was
    21:07
    summarized by wal Thornhill as follows
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    as a small star approaching the Sun
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    Saturn flickered like a faulty electric
    21:14
    light when the two stellar magneto
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    spheres or plasma sheaths touched
    21:18
    Saturn's electrical power was usurped by
    21:21
    the Sun and its appearance changed
    21:23
    dramatically such rapid variability in
    21:26
    the appearance of stars is well
    21:28
    documented before dimming forever Saturn
    21:31
    would have flared up to relieve the
    21:33
    stresses caused by the sudden change in
    21:35
    electrical environment
    21:36
    Saturn's present low internal electrical
    21:39
    stress as indicated by its low apparent
    21:42
    mass suggests ejection activity but even
    21:46
    so the core of the electric star has not
    21:48
    completely cooled
    21:49
    Saturn still radiates more than twice
    21:51
    the heat it receives from the Sun and we
    21:54
    have a simple explanation for the origin
    21:56
    of Saturn
    21:57
    mysterious short-lived rings of course
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    neither recent solar system instability
    22:02
    nor the electrical capture of celestial
    22:05
    bodies are concepts that planetary
    22:07
    scientists have ever entertained but the
    22:10
    failures of the standard model of our
    22:12
    solar system's formation and history are
    22:14
    dramatically underscored with countless
    22:16
    discoveries of seemingly baffling
    22:18
    exoplanetary systems in fact in recent
    22:21
    years astronomers have more and more
    22:23
    routinely described our own solar system
    22:26
    as exceptionally strange recently this
    22:29
    problem has been affirmed by an
    22:30
    international team of scientists who
    22:33
    have discovered that exoplanets that
    22:34
    orbit the same parent stars are quote
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    like peas in a pod
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    the research published in the
    22:40
    astronomical journal focused on close to
    22:42
    1,000 planets in over 350 multi-planet
    22:46
    systems a fist on org report summarizes
    22:49
    the findings as follows the team found
    22:52
    too surprising patterns they found that
    22:54
    exoplanets tend to be the same sizes as
    22:57
    their neighbors if one planet is small
    22:59
    the next planet around that same star is
    23:02
    very likely to be small as well and if
    23:04
    one planet is big the next is likely to
    23:07
    be big they also found that planets
    23:09
    orbiting the same star tend to have a
    23:11
    regular orbital spacing the lead author
    23:14
    of the research stated the planets in
    23:16
    the system tend to be the same size and
    23:18
    regularly spaced like peas in a pod
    23:20
    these patterns would not occur if the
    23:23
    planet sizes or spacings were drawn at
    23:25
    random of course this is in stark
    23:27
    contrast to our solar system where the
    23:30
    planets are in the words of physicist
    23:32
    wal Thornhill a quote fruit salad this
    23:35
    discrepancy has led astronomers to
    23:37
    increasingly entertain dramatic changes
    23:39
    to our solar system since its formation
    23:41
    the phys.org report states in our solar
    23:45
    system the inner planets have
    23:46
    surprisingly large spacing and diverse
    23:49
    sizes abundant evidence in the solar
    23:51
    system suggests that Jupiter and Saturn
    23:54
    disrupted our systems early structure
    23:56
    resulting in the four widely spaced
    23:59
    terrestrial planets we have today yet
    24:02
    institutional science remains unready to
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    entertain a dramatic disruption of our
    24:07
    solar system that occurred much more
    24:09
    recently perhaps even within human
    24:11
    memory but what basis remains for
    24:14
    continued faith in the four and a half
    24:15
    billion year old story of our solar
    24:18
    system's formation and evolution a story
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    that has led to endless surprises and
    24:23
    intractable problems for planetary
    24:25
    scientists it is past time for
    24:27
    scientists to wipe the proverbial
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    drawing board clean to allow discovery
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    to illuminate an increasingly
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    self-evident fact that our world our
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    solar system and our universe is
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    electric
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    Videos 6 & 7 are related and could be considered parts 1 & 2 of a longer video. As such, much of what I said about video 6 applies to video 7 as well. I would say though that the portion of the video showing how Birkeland created rings, reminiscent of Saturn's rings, in his electrical experiments was fascinating.
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