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    4th Day.

    14 And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

    15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

    16 And Elohim made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

    17 And Elohim set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

    18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and Elohim saw that it was good.

    19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


    TRUE or FALSE
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Let's keep to the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    Let's keep to the OP.
    I am keeping to the OP. You state you are a non-believer and I need to know what it is you don't believe. Once I know we can move on.


    4th Day.

    14 And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

    15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

    16 And Elohim made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

    17 And Elohim set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

    18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and Elohim saw that it was good.

    19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


    TRUE or FALSE
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    I am keeping to the OP. You state you are a non-believer and I need to know what it is you don't believe. Once I know we can move on.


    4th Day.

    14 And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

    15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

    16 And Elohim made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

    17 And Elohim set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

    18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and Elohim saw that it was good.

    19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


    TRUE or FALSE
    The OP is about the Gospel.

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    IF you don't trust in the existence of the Creator and sustainer of all then you can't trust what He says.


    CREATOR or BANG?
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    The OP is about the Gospel.
    Evangel means Message from El. If you don't believe in His existence then the Message is not for you.

    Note Message and not good news.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    PS that is why we have the words angel, evangel and evangelist.

    angel, ev-angel and ev-angel-ist.


    CREATOR or BANG?
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    I am a non-believer interested in knowing what the good news is. I ask because, in my experience, Christians do not seem to agree on the specifics. One might point to the issue of the scope of Christ's salvific provision as being particularly relevant.

    If the Gospel isn't clearly defined then, surely, the non-believer may legitimately ask, 'Believe in what?'


    The Gospel is good news for lost sinners. If you don't see yourself as a lost sinner them it is not good news. Instead it is a picture of God's judgment on sin.

    The Gospel is good news because it is about how Jesus in your name and on your behalf fulfilled all of the demands of God's holy law. This is how we are justified (made right before God and his law).

    The Gospel is good news because Jesus in your name and on your behalf has atoned for your sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

    In Jesus Christ you have been justified, sanctified and redeemed. Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus you now stand complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
    Last edited by Robert Pate; September 30th, 2017 at 01:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    The Gospel is good news for lost sinners. If you don't see yourself as a lost sinner them it is not good news. Instead it is a picture of God's judgment on sin.

    The Gospel is good news because it is about how Jesus in your name and on your behalf fulfilled all of the demands of God's holy law. This is how we are justified (made right before God and his law).

    The Gospel is good news because Jesus in your name and on your behalf has atoned for your sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

    In Jesus Christ you have been justified, sanctified and redeemed. Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus you now stand complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
    Thanks. Do you recognise that Calvinist's preach a Gospel that, under interrogation, contradicts this offer of salvation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    Thanks. Do you recognise that Calvinist's preach a Gospel that, under interrogation, contradicts this offer of salvation?
    There is no such thing as an "offer" of salvation. Salvation is guaranteed for those Messiah died for.

    CREATOR or BANG?
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    There is no such thing as an "offer" of salvation. Salvation is guaranteed for those Messiah died for.
    If this is also the Gospel - then we have two contradictory definitions.


    CREATOR or BANG?
    There is strong evidence for Darwinism as far as I can see but I wont discuss this here otherwise the thread will be derailed.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    If this is also the Gospel - then we have two contradictory definitions.




    There is strong evidence for Darwinism as far as I can see but I wont discuss this here otherwise the thread will be derailed.

    Thanks.
    The contradiction is in man and not the Bible.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    The contradiction is in man and not the Bible.
    Paul says this is the Gospel:

    Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance:

    that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    Paul says this is the Gospel:

    Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance:

    that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
    Those words are not directed at you. You're reading other peoples mail and trying to apply the message contained within to yourself.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Those words are not directed at you. You're reading other peoples mail and trying to apply the message contained within to yourself.
    A Gospel for believers only - not for unbelievers? Two Gospels?

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