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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    Not when you compare it with the real issue which is whether or not you will spend eternity in hell because you can't get past the fact that Christians don't agree on everything.
    I was born able to sin and not able to not sin. Born guilty with no recourse otherwise.


    This is what the unbeliever is told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    Not agreeing on the most fundamental issue - whether Jesus died for all or not - is a catastrophe if Jesus is the truth.
    No its not.

    It's just your stumbling block of choice.
    Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    No its not.

    It's just your stumbling block of choice.
    Unable to choose God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    I was born able to sin and not able to not sin. Born guilty with no recourse otherwise.


    This is what the unbeliever is told.
    I thought you were starting to learn but you're still kicking against the pricks

    Acts 9:5 KJV -
    1 Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV -


    Colossians 1:13-14 KJV - Colossians 1:15-16 KJV - Colossians 1:17-18 KJV -

    Colossians 1:19-20 KJV - Colossians 1:21-22 KJV - Colossians 1:23 KJV -

    Colossians 1:25-26 KJV 27, 28, 29 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Ephesians 1:12-13, 14 -



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    Unable to choose God.
    If you think you are able, please do so.

    I will have learned a valuable lesson.
    Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

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    And you will have gained heaven...

    It's a win/win.
    Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    I thought you were starting to learn but you're still kicking against the pricks

    Acts 9:5 KJV -

    The English word pricks comes from the root Greek word kentron. Kentron is sometimes also translated as goads. This word has the idea of a “sharp, pointed projection used in stinging.”[1] The prick or goad was a pointed stick that was used to urge some stubborn animal to move. The stick was made of wood or metal (Judges 3:31; 1 Samuel 13:21). Sometimes the animal refused to move and would kick back at the pointed object and as a result stab itself on the goad or prick.
    The word kick is translated from the root Greek word laktizo which has the basic meaning of “to hurt by resistance” or “to kick.”[2] Simply put – “to kick against the pricks” implies someone is resisting and in the process is hitting a sharp object. Ouch! A goad was typically a sharp stick or prod used to drive cattle. In the ancient Greek and Roman times, the phrase was a well-known expression indicating that someone was opposing a deity.[3] If we put it all together, we discover that God told Paul that he was only hurting himself in his effort to eliminate Christians. He was unknowingly opposing God.
    1 Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV -


    Colossians 1:13-14 KJV - Colossians 1:15-16 KJV - Colossians 1:17-18 KJV -

    Colossians 1:19-20 KJV - Colossians 1:21-22 KJV - Colossians 1:23 KJV -

    Colossians 1:25-26 KJV 27, 28, 29 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Ephesians 1:12-13, 14 -



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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    No its not.

    It's just your stumbling block of choice.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    I was born able to sin and not able to not sin. Born guilty with no recourse otherwise.


    This is what the unbeliever is told.
    They aren't told that by the Gospel.

    There is nothing in the Gospel to even suggest that.

    It's only when the "explaining" begins.... one's personal interpretations of various scriptures, that you'll see any such thing being discussed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    Unable to choose God.
    LOL Smarty pants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    They aren't told that by the Gospel.

    There is nothing in the Gospel to even suggest that.

    It's only when the "explaining" begins.... one's personal interpretations of various scriptures, that you'll see any such thing being discussed.
    If someone were to ask me about the Gospel I would forced to tell them the two versions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epoisses View Post
    Choice, the battle cry of the Arminian gospel. All your choices are worthless and wrong and motivated by sin. The bible commands sinners to believe in Christ not choose him. Choice is the old covenant understanding where Joshua boldly proclaims that he and his house will choose to serve the Lord. There are millions of Christians that have chosen Jesus and go to church every week but are in a lost state because they have never come to repentance and seen themselves the way God does as miserable and worthless sinners who have never done one good thing in their whole life.
    Except there is a choice. Whether or not to plug your ears to the truth you are hearing when the Gospel is preached...because you love your sin, and think you might have to give it up. You fall for the lie that there is a catch to this GIFT you are hearing about. Too good to be true...you fall for the lie satan is whispering in your ear, and you are convinced you can never be good enough for God.

    You have a choice to turn toward God or turn back to the world. To turn away from the light of the glorious Gospel because you love darkness more than the light. 1 Thessalonians 1:9

    But, God is longsuffering. Not only longsuffering, but actively working to draw men to Himself. How many people have to reach the bottom before they look up? I submit we each reached a point where we realize we are missing something very important, and it's the POWER of the Gospel that shows us what we are missing. We were created to know our great God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    John 3:14-16 enjoins belief in the crucified Jesus leading to salvation. I don't know how clearer Jesus could have been.
    Absolutely correct. However, the context was that Nicad came to Jesus seeking answers right? And according to Nicís soteriology a Jew was automatically saved by being born a Jew. Talk about racism! Being born of water (flesh) was not enough to save him. Thus Jn 3:14-18 is the content of faith for salvation. But Jesus had to make a legitimate offer of the kingdom to Israel first and He did. But it was rejected in Mt12.


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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    If you think you are able, please do so.

    I will have learned a valuable lesson.
    I can give you many more lessons.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    If someone were to ask me about the Gospel I would forced to tell them the two versions.
    There are not two versions. There is only the one Gospel of Grace.

    The Lord Jesus Christ came down from heaven and died on the cross for our sins. He was buried and then rose from the dead, so we could have eternal life. When we believe in what He did, we are saved. "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved." Salvation is God's Gift to those who trust in the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Pretty darn simple.

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