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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    I thought you were starting to learn but you're still kicking against the pricks

    Acts 9:5 KJV -
    Thereís nothing to learn, it is mere acceptance that is necessary. And I believe I heard Sonnet say that at one time he was a believer? If Iím right and he was, then still is and is already living his eternal life.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    Not agreeing on the most fundamental issue - whether Jesus died for all or not - is a catastrophe if Jesus is the truth.

    The schism justifies the sceptic. bbk put it well.
    That's why you need to stick to the Scripture....exactly how it's written.

    "God so loved the world".... "Whosoever believeth...."
    People can then pick up the Bible, and read it for themselves.
    Let God's word do the talking, and the teaching.
    The Holy Spirit can convince and convict through the word, itself.

    When you talk to someone about the Gospel...turn to the Book.
    Read directly from it.

    "It says right here,....."

    This is what Paul says in Ephesians, "......."

    Paul says, "The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life."

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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    There’s nothing to learn, it is mere acceptance that is necessary. And I believe I heard Sonnet say that at one time he was a believer? If I’m right and he was, then still is and is already living his eternal life.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    I was born able to sin and not able to not sin. Born guilty with no recourse otherwise.


    This is what the unbeliever is told.
    Born dead in sin and already condemned is the biblical description. But again, my friends on the left of me are unwilling to fathom that children die unsaved. No where in scripture are we told that there is an age of accountability. That is a myth. And thus they cannot hold the literal definition of humanity; we have the imputation of Adamís sin and all die as a result.

    Now I do not tell people about the total depravity outside from discussing it amongst believers because no one is ever going to be saved by hearing of total depravity.

    The message of the Bible is not advice it is news. News that God has intervened on manís behalf. He entered our world, He took upon Himself our humanity, He died for our sin, He was resurrected for our life and He is coming back for our glorification. The difference between our faith and every other belief system is the difference between news and advice. We donít have to pray five times a day facing Mecca or refuse to eat this or that food, it is not what we can do for God but what God has already done for us. We are to become living sacrifices unto Him as Paul says. We need to live our lives in a way that glorifies God by forgiveness for one another. Martin Luther King was a man that wanted to pursue equality in America for African Americans. And he was willing to be that sacrifice in the sense of forgiving racial prejudices by enduring tears and shame in silence and quietly. At the moment MLK would cry out and condemn whites he would no longer be that sacrifice because he would be demanding payment for the tears for the shame. Malcom X criticized MLK and wanted to exact payment from America. That is the difference between a Christian and any other religious belief. It is by being connected to the one who is love that we can become the kind of human beings God created us to become. The gift of God is eternal life. There may be objections to accepting the gospel based on the doctrines within the Bible but there still remains no other faith no other belief system that can be compared to it. It wasnít how guilty the Israelite felt not how long he had to stare at the serpent on mosesí staff in the heat of the desert sun, it was simply the look of faith that saved and the object that God supplied. Christ the Lord was given and lifted up for our sickness of sin, He is the object of faith and all anyone need do is merely look upon Him for salvation. If you at one time in your life did that Sonnet then you are still born again even if you cease to believe.

    When I believed the gospel I was 5 years old. God reached down from heaven and took ahold of my hand and He has never let go. Iíve wasted years, decades of my life ignoring Christ but once as a child when I cried out to Him He grabbed a hold of me and here we are bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    There are not two versions. There is only the one Gospel of Grace.

    The Lord Jesus Christ came down from heaven and died on the cross for our sins. He was buried and then rose from the dead, so we could have eternal life. When we believe in what He did, we are saved. "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved." Salvation is God's Gift to those who trust in the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Pretty darn simple.
    So you agree with Paul:

    Galatians 1:
    8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under Godís curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under Godís curse!

    ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    I was born able to sin and not able to not sin. Born guilty with no recourse otherwise.


    This is what the unbeliever is told.
    Indeed. So?

    What is your duty as commanded by God in His revealed will (Scripture) versus attempting to seek out His unrevealed will (Deut. 29:29)?

    What is your duty as commanded by Scripture, Gods's revealed will?

    This: Believe upon the Lord and be saved.

    Do your duty and see where that takes you.


    You may just find that the things you claimed to understand beforehand were not as you assumed, thus proving the state of the unbeliever described in Romans 1. This whole discussion is fruitless when taken up between an avowed non-believer and a believer. The former has no ears to hear. Period. I or no one else herein can argue you into the Kingdom.

    Obey God. That is your duty. Do it or be left without excuse.

    Afterwards, in your walk of faith some things will become more clear depending upon how you manage your walk of faith in the feeding of your faith and starving of your doubts by not neglecting daily Scripture study, rejoicing in hope, being patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer (Romans 12:12), fellowship with other believers, keeping good stewardship of the secular and spiritual gifts God has given you—including how and where your time is being spent—and with regular assembly with others to worship God, receive instruction, access the ordinary means of grace, and being subject to discipline.

    So, what prevents you at this moment in calling upon the name of the Lord? Nothing. You know this. You simply continue to rationalize and navel gaze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    So you agree with Paul:

    Galatians 1:
    8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

    ?
    Of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    Born dead in sin and already condemned is the biblical description.
    It is NOT written. No scripture says such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    Indeed. So?

    What is your duty as commanded by God in His revealed will (Scripture) versus attempting to seek out His unrevealed will (Deut. 29:29)?

    What is your duty as commanded by Scripture, Gods's revealed will?

    This: Believe upon the Lord and be saved.

    Do your duty and see where that takes you.


    You may just find that the things you claimed to understand beforehand were not as you assumed, thus proving the state of the unbeliever described in Romans 1. This whole discussion is fruitless when taken up between an avowed non-believer and a believer. The former has no ears to hear. Period. I or no one else herein can argue you into the Kingdom.

    Obey God. That is your duty. Do it or be left without excuse.

    Afterwards, in your walk of faith some things will become more clear depending upon how you manage your walk of faith in the feeding of your faith and starving of your doubts by not neglecting daily Scripture study, rejoicing in hope, being patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer (Romans 12:12), fellowship with other believers, keeping good stewardship of the secular and spiritual gifts God has given you—including how and where your time is being spent—and with regular assembly with others to worship God, receive instruction, access the ordinary means of grace, and being subject to discipline.

    So, what prevents you at this moment in calling upon the name of the Lord? Nothing. You know this. You simply continue to rationalize and navel gaze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Of course.
    That's an unambiguous indictment of those that say Christ did not die for all without exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    Indeed. So?

    What is your duty as commanded by God in His revealed will (Scripture) versus attempting to seek out His unrevealed will (Deut. 29:29)?

    What is your duty as commanded by Scripture, Gods's revealed will?

    This: Believe upon the Lord and be saved.

    Do your duty and see where that takes you.


    You may just find that the things you claimed to understand beforehand were not as you assumed, thus proving the state of the unbeliever described in Romans 1. This whole discussion is fruitless when taken up between an avowed non-believer and a believer. The former has no ears to hear. Period. I or no one else herein can argue you into the Kingdom.

    Obey God. That is your duty. Do it or be left without excuse.

    Afterwards, in your walk of faith some things will become more clear depending upon how you manage your walk of faith in the feeding of your faith and starving of your doubts by not neglecting daily Scripture study, rejoicing in hope, being patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer (Romans 12:12), fellowship with other believers, keeping good stewardship of the secular and spiritual gifts God has given you—including how and where your time is being spent—and with regular assembly with others to worship God, receive instruction, access the ordinary means of grace, and being subject to discipline.

    So, what prevents you at this moment in calling upon the name of the Lord? Nothing. You know this. You simply continue to rationalize and navel gaze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    Born dead in sin and already condemned is the biblical description. But again, my friends on the left of me are unwilling to fathom that children die unsaved. No where in scripture are we told that there is an age of accountability. That is a myth. And thus they cannot hold the literal definition of humanity; we have the imputation of Adam’s sin and all die as a result.

    Now I do not tell people about the total depravity outside from discussing it amongst believers because no one is ever going to be saved by hearing of total depravity.

    The message of the Bible is not advice it is news. News that God has intervened on man’s behalf. He entered our world, He took upon Himself our humanity, He died for our sin, He was resurrected for our life and He is coming back for our glorification. The difference between our faith and every other belief system is the difference between news and advice. We don’t have to pray five times a day facing Mecca or refuse to eat this or that food, it is not what we can do for God but what God has already done for us. We are to become living sacrifices unto Him as Paul says. We need to live our lives in a way that glorifies God by forgiveness for one another. Martin Luther King was a man that wanted to pursue equality in America for African Americans. And he was willing to be that sacrifice in the sense of forgiving racial prejudices by enduring tears and shame in silence and quietly. At the moment MLK would cry out and condemn whites he would no longer be that sacrifice because he would be demanding payment for the tears for the shame. Malcom X criticized MLK and wanted to exact payment from America. That is the difference between a Christian and any other religious belief. It is by being connected to the one who is love that we can become the kind of human beings God created us to become. The gift of God is eternal life. There may be objections to accepting the gospel based on the doctrines within the Bible but there still remains no other faith no other belief system that can be compared to it. It wasn’t how guilty the Israelite felt not how long he had to stare at the serpent on moses’ staff in the heat of the desert sun, it was simply the look of faith that saved and the object that God supplied. Christ the Lord was given and lifted up for our sickness of sin, He is the object of faith and all anyone need do is merely look upon Him for salvation. If you at one time in your life did that Sonnet then you are still born again even if you cease to believe.

    When I believed the gospel I was 5 years old. God reached down from heaven and took ahold of my hand and He has never let go. I’ve wasted years, decades of my life ignoring Christ but once as a child when I cried out to Him He grabbed a hold of me and here we are bro.

    Blessings


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    It is by being connected to the one who is love that we can become the kind of human beings God created us to become.
    Love?
    How did God love Esau whom, it is claimed, He literally hated and damned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    Not agreeing on the most fundamental issue - whether Jesus died for all or not - is a catastrophe if Jesus is the truth.

    The schism justifies the sceptic. bbk put it well.
    We differ on what is "the most fundamental issue." The most fundamental issue, the very definition of Christian faith, according to Paul, is believing the historical fact that He is risen. Everything else is beneath this historical fact, this "crowning" truth, and everything else connects with, as to the hub of a wheel, this "central" truth, of the one Christian faith (Eph4:5KJV). The Lord Jesus Christ is risen. There is no disagreement among all Christians everywhere on this one point. And anyone who denies that He is risen, can safely be judged to be outside the Body of Christ.
    THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS RISEN. Matthew 28:6 (KJV) Mark 16:6 (KJV) Luke 24:6 (KJV)

    Romans 10:9 (KJV) 1st Corinthians 15:14 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnet View Post
    That's an unambiguous indictment of those that say Christ did not die for all without exception.
    No, because as I said, the Gospel is very simple. The complexities you are addressing are how men have decided to interpret it. If men could keep their "explanations" out of it, you would find agreement.

    EXCEPT, of course, those who decide to add to Paul's Gospel with "repentance from sin" and "believe and obey and be water baptized". That is another Gospel....the "other gospel" that was preached to the Jews before the cross.

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