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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Well, are you under the impression he was speaking against all blacks, or just against the one individual that did not stand for the anthem?
    It doesn't matter if he was speaking of one guy or a whole race of people.
    Contrary to what many Americans seem to think, the document we now call "the Constitution" and the Declaration of Independence are not pretty much the same thing or "connected in spirit," or "two sides of the same coin." The two documents were written by two different groups of people at two different times to accomplish two totally different goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    A white man calling a black man is not a racist comment?
    Why would it be racists to call a black man black (of which there are several terms that can be used)?
    Or a white man white (of which there are several terms that can be used)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Why would it be racists to call a black man black (of which there are several terms that can be used)?
    Or a white man white (of which there are several terms that can be used)?
    ****** is not one of those terms we use to describe someone....a black man, brown man, African American all don't have the stigma attached like ******. I really cant believe I have to explain this.
    Contrary to what many Americans seem to think, the document we now call "the Constitution" and the Declaration of Independence are not pretty much the same thing or "connected in spirit," or "two sides of the same coin." The two documents were written by two different groups of people at two different times to accomplish two totally different goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    It doesn't matter if he was speaking of one guy or a whole race of people.
    If it was against the actions of an individual black person, and not ALL blacks, then how can it be racist?
    He didn't say all blacks are no good.
    He said that one individual black was no good BECAUSE of his actions, not because of his race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    If it was against the actions of an individual black person, and not ALL blacks, then how can it be racist?
    He didn't say all blacks are no good.
    He said that one individual black was no good BECAUSE of his actions, not because of his race.
    There is no reason to use the word period...
    Contrary to what many Americans seem to think, the document we now call "the Constitution" and the Declaration of Independence are not pretty much the same thing or "connected in spirit," or "two sides of the same coin." The two documents were written by two different groups of people at two different times to accomplish two totally different goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Why would it be racists to call a black man black (of which there are several terms that can be used)?
    Or a white man white (of which there are several terms that can be used)?
    Calling a black man a "no good ******" is not the same thing as calling a black man a black man, your personal anecdotes of growing up aside.

    Do you think that "******" simply = black man with no default negative connontation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    ****** is not one of those terms we use to describe someone....a black man, brown man, African American all don't have the stigma attached like ******. I really cant believe I have to explain this.
    It has never been an issue for me where I live.
    The neighborhood I live in now has black, whites, and Mexicans.
    We all use the idioms for those groups, and we think nothing of it.

    Perhaps it would be more beneficial to suggest everyone live as me and my neighbors do, and not make more of it than what it is.
    Instead of trying to convince everyone that only monsters use those words.
    My neighborhood is pretty peaceful and we have fun together and help each other.


    I mean, when you get right down to it, ****** just means black person, just like cracker just means white person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    I mean, when you get right down to it, ****** just means black person, just like cracker just means white person.
    No, it doesn't...your personal anecdotes aside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    Calling a black man a "no good ******" is not the same thing as calling a black man a black man, your personal anecdotes of growing up aside.

    Do you think that "******" simply = black man with no default negative connontation?
    Calling a single black man a no good ****** is not the same as saying all black people are no good *******.
    He was upset at THAT man because of THAT man's actions, not because of THAT man's race.
    Big difference.
    A racist would have said all black people are no good, and not singled out the actions of one.
    Can you really not distinguish the difference?

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    Did the Definition of ****** Change?
    There is a widespread belief that the original meaning of ******, as defined in dictionaries, was "an ignorant person," and a related belief that current dictionary definitions describing its use as a hateful, racist epithet are a recent change. We do not know the source of those beliefs, but they are not accurate. The word was first included in a Merriam-Webster dictionary in 1864, at which time it was defined as a synonym of Negro, with a note indicating that it was used "in derision or depreciation." There has never been a definition like "an ignorant person" for this word in any subsequent dictionary published by this company. Nor do we know of such a definition in any earlier dictionary.



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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    No, it doesn't...your personal anecdotes aside.
    Then what does ****** and cracker mean to you?
    To me, it means black and white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    There is no reason to use the word period...
    Paul could have used any word, and it would still have only been about the actions of single individual and not a whole race (race as color).
    Since when did not liking the uncalled for actions of a single black person make one a racist against a whole race?

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    It is still a word one does not use in any situation. TOL has banned the use of the word thru TOL censor for a reason....why is it they did that? Because it is a gross word to use period.

    I still cannot believe I am having to explain simple concepts like this.
    Contrary to what many Americans seem to think, the document we now call "the Constitution" and the Declaration of Independence are not pretty much the same thing or "connected in spirit," or "two sides of the same coin." The two documents were written by two different groups of people at two different times to accomplish two totally different goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post

    Edit: why does TOL auto censor the word ****** in the first place?
    I don't know.
    Cracker seems to print just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    It is still a word one does not use in any situation. TOL has banned the use of the word thru TOL censor for a reason....why is it they did that? Because it is a gross word to use period.

    I still cannot believe I am having to explain simple concepts like this.
    I still can't believe you cannot distinguish the simple concept of the difference in hating what a single black man did compared to the whole race of blacks.

    I mean, if you can be racist against a single black man, but not all blacks, then I doubt anyone alive isn't a racist against someone.

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