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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    I've heard God referred to by many names.
    To a Jew who knows his scriptures and his 'God', there is only one special, unique, personal name of 'God', represented AS the tetragrammaton. Besides YHWH, of course 'God' has many different names which describe various aspects of his character.

    While the name of God is special and unique to the OT, it is also universal, since the Infinite One includes all, while transcending all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    Since Christianity's religious heritage and theology is rooted in the 'God' of the OT, I dont see how any Christian theist or even Christ-fiendly spiritualist (such as myself) could ignore or deny that YHWH is in fact, a 'biblical name'.
    YHWH is not a name, it's a descriptor.

    If YHWH were a name, it's one God's people will carry.

    Jesus said, "I will write on him the name of My God."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    YHWH is not a name, it's a descriptor.

    If YHWH were a name, it's one God's people will carry.

    Jesus said, "I will write on him the name of My God."
    If you believe the Bible is 'inspired', and believe the 'God' revealed in the Bible, how could you deny He has a 'name' (a memorial name that has preeminence over all other names), especially when he's proclaimed it for himself?

    Do you believe God's words recorded by scribes below? -


    14 God replied to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you.” 15 God also said to Moses, “Say this to the Israelites: Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever; this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

    -Ex. 3:14

    I am Yahweh, that is My name;
    I will not give My glory to another
    or My praise to idols.

    - Is. 42:8


    20 Can one make gods for himself?
    But they are not gods.
    21 “Therefore, I am about to inform them,
    and this time I will make them know
    My power and My might;
    then they will know that My name is Yahweh.”

    -Jer. 16:21 (HCSB)
    The 'name' of God is proclaimed hundreds of times in the OT, YHWH, and a few times in short form as 'YAH'.

    Trust in the Lord forever,
    because in Yah, the Lord, is an everlasting rock!

    - Is. 26:4

    Behold, God is my salvation,
    I will trust and not be afraid;
    ‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song;
    He also has become my salvation.’”[a]

    - Is. 12:2 (NKJV)

    Sing to God, sing praises to His name;
    Extol Him who rides on the clouds,
    By His name YAH,
    And rejoice before Him.

    - Psalm 68:4 (NKJV)
    ~*~*~

    We could go on, - clear plain statements by 'God' himself about his 'name', and multiple attestations of his name 'Yah' (YHWH) by various prophets. As an intellectually honest student of the Bible, you have to accept what is literally and figuratively in the writings, - but it is clear that 'Yahweh' is Gods eternal name, and OF COURSE we understand and learn from his 'name' about his eternal nature, character, qualities, attributes....as the Eternal ONE, who is timeless in his essence, but permeates all time (past, present and future) as the Existential One, and the Creative Living Spirit behind all creation ( dispensations, eons, etc.).

    The 'name' of 'God' is upon the people of God, yes....meaning the nature, image, character, identity, 'signature' of 'God' is to be upon God's people, but this 'name' includes his revealed 'name'(s) and all that comes with that 'name' as well. The 'name' or 'names' of God bestowed or revealed in the Book of Revelation will have some aspect of God's name within them, for YAH is the life, energy, concsiousness that imbues all meanings and values as realities.

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    Red face So maybe 'Jesus' is not the best name for the Messiah?

    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    What is the name of his son
    Proverbs 30:4
    Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is the name of his son? Surely you know!

    Yahwah and Yahshua.
    If Christ name is Jesus, then the word of God has failed.
    I think we've covered much of the essential basics of the tetragrammaton so far, but may be good to redirect now our focus on the thread-title-subject, concerning 'Christ' or 'The Son' of YAH. I'm not necessarily dogmatic over names, but recognize we have to understand all 'names' in their proper contexts and applications. Logically, since the name 'Joshua/Yehoshua' or however its spelled in the hebrew...means Yahweh's salvation, savior, etc.....and 'Joshua' and 'Jesus' can be interchanged to mean the same thing. So Jesus is a type of 'Joshua'. As we transilerate this into a more approximate rendering....since the name means 'Yah is salvation', it can be rendered 'Yahshua', 'Yehoshua', and other renditions. There was also no 'J' back then so its argued his name could NOT be 'Jesus' as we know it today. - this is just a rough draft overview, there is so much more involved, and many might argue that calling him 'Jesus' as we do today is just fine. - a history of the transliteration process from hebrew/aramaic to greek, to latin, to english is interesting though - some students of the original hebrew names for 'God' and 'Messiah' have dropped the name 'Jesus'.

    So,...if we are a stickler for 'names' and their correct 'rendering/pronounciation'...at least the MOST correct we can come by as far as we can know,....this could be a 'hot potato' for some. At this point I would say its best for a follower (devotee) of Jesus to be well studied to at least know the history, linguistics, meanings, transliterations of the name, and take that together as a whole in their choosing what 'name' to call these personalities by.

    So,...maybe we can get back to 'Jesus' now. If his name was really 'Yahshua', 'Yahawashi', 'Yahusha', 'Yehshua', 'Yehoshua' or some other variation, should we go back to those renderings and drop 'Jesus' from our vocabulary? Again, thats a personal choice, as 'Jesus (and the white european image of him) has been programmed into our western minds for some generations now. Perhaps that could be a form of 'idolatry', if we have been taken to respect incorrect images, names and forms of the Messiah. Alot to consider here

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    You guys are hung up in the OT.

    How did Jesus address his God?

    When I was growing up we didn't address our parents by their given names.

    That would have been disrespectful.

    Many today have no respect for their elders. Too bad.

    So argue over God's name if that's what suits you.

    But his children carry his name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    I think we've covered much of the essential basics of the tetragrammaton so far, but may be good to redirect now our focus on the thread-title-subject, concerning 'Christ' or 'The Son' of YAH. I'm not necessarily dogmatic over names, but recognize we have to understand all 'names' in their proper contexts and applications. Logically, since the name 'Joshua/Yehoshua' or however its spelled in the hebrew...means Yahweh's salvation, savior, etc.....and 'Joshua' and 'Jesus' can be interchanged to mean the same thing. So Jesus is a type of 'Joshua'. As we transilerate this into a more approximate rendering....since the name means 'Yah is salvation', it can be rendered 'Yahshua', 'Yehoshua', and other renditions. There was also no 'J' back then so its argued his name could NOT be 'Jesus' as we know it today. - this is just a rough draft overview, there is so much more involved, and many might argue that calling him 'Jesus' as we do today is just fine. - a history of the transliteration process from hebrew/aramaic to greek, to latin, to english is interesting though - some students of the original hebrew names for 'God' and 'Messiah' have dropped the name 'Jesus'.

    So,...if we are a stickler for 'names' and their correct 'rendering/pronounciation'...at least the MOST correct we can come by as far as we can know,....this could be a 'hot potato' for some. At this point I would say its best for a follower (devotee) of Jesus to be well studied to at least know the history, linguistics, meanings, transliterations of the name, and take that together as a whole in their choosing what 'name' to call these personalities by.

    So,...maybe we can get back to 'Jesus' now. If his name was really 'Yahshua', 'Yahawashi', 'Yahusha', 'Yehshua', 'Yehoshua' or some other variation, should we go back to those renderings and drop 'Jesus' from our vocabulary? Again, thats a personal choice, as 'Jesus (and the white european image of him) has been programmed into our western minds for some generations now. Perhaps that could be a form of 'idolatry', if we have been taken to respect incorrect images, names and forms of the Messiah. Alot to consider here
    Dishonor His Name
    For thousands of years the refusing to use a person's name has been a direct form of dishonor. Shortening the name, replacing the name, distorting the name, all are signs of dishonor.


    Honorable Mention
    An “honorable mention” is a title of distinction given to a person worthy of mention. Upon honoring the person their name is mentioned, so their name has a place of honor known among the people.




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    Deuteronomy 32:39. See now that I alone am He; there is no God but Me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    Deuteronomy 32:39. See now that I alone am He; there is no God but Me.
    Quoted out of context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    Dishonor His Name
    For thousands of years the refusing to use a person's name has been a direct form of dishonor.
    Shortening the name, replacing the name, distorting the name, all are signs of dishonor.
    You contradict yourself, for as I said, you, like the scholars you put your trust in, assume to yourself the right to shorten the Tetragrammaton name of "YHWH" down to "Yah" while claiming in the post above herein, (in bold red highlighting), that even what you yourself are doing is a dishonor to the name of the Father. The name of the Father is not "Yah" but rather the Tetragrammaton, "YHWH", (in English transliteration). Others may foolishly throw up their hands and say it does not matter, or you are all stuck in the "Old Testament", or choose not to invest any real study on their own time, but these things are how we actually display our love for the Father, (by searching His Word and His Kingdom). So if you truly wish to understand WHO the Son IS then what I have presented here already in this thread will lead you into the answers to all of these things with some study time, prayer, searching, and work on your own. It is not about proving who is right and who is wrong but rather about proving that you do indeed love the Father, (YHWH Elohim Almighty), and His Son, (Yah Elohim, Ι̅H).

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    What was the name Jesus used for his God and our God?

    Self-righteousness is a dead end. Forget it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daqq View Post
    You contradict yourself, for as I said, you, like the scholars you put your trust in, assume to yourself the right to shorten the Tetragrammaton name of "YHWH" down to "Yah" while claiming in the post above herein, (in bold red highlighting), that even what you yourself are doing is a dishonor to the name of the Father. The name of the Father is not "Yah" but rather the Tetragrammaton, "YHWH", (in English transliteration). Others may foolishly throw up their hands and say it does not matter, or you are all stuck in the "Old Testament", or choose not to invest any real study on their own time, but these things are how we actually display our love for the Father, (by searching His Word and His Kingdom). So if you truly wish to understand WHO the Son IS then what I have presented here already in this thread will lead you into the answers to all of these things with some study time, prayer, searching, and work on your own. It is not about proving who is right and who is wrong but rather about proving that you do indeed love the Father, (YHWH Elohim Almighty), and His Son, (Yah Elohim, Ι̅H).
    Yah is God's first name and is not a contraction. I have three names, and Michael is my first name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    What was the name Jesus used for his God and our God?

    Self-righteousness is a dead end. Forget it.

    John 17:11
    I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.

    Hebrews 2:12
    He says, “I will declare your name to my brothers; in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.”

    Where do you see the name Yahwah in the New Testament?



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    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    Where do you see the name Yahwah in the New Testament?
    That's my point. Jesus' Father is our Father.

    We should refer to him as Jesus referred to him.

    Our Father was never Hebrew.

    We are judged by our Brother if necessary relative to the Father's standard.

    Our Brother is the firstborn of the family.

    We carry the family name.

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    Red face Yah, the LORD..........

    Quote Originally Posted by daqq View Post
    You contradict yourself, for as I said, you, like the scholars you put your trust in, assume to yourself the right to shorten the Tetragrammaton name of "YHWH" down to "Yah" while claiming in the post above herein, (in bold red highlighting), that even what you yourself are doing is a dishonor to the name of the Father. The name of the Father is not "Yah" but rather the Tetragrammaton, "YHWH", (in English transliteration). Others may foolishly throw up their hands and say it does not matter, or you are all stuck in the "Old Testament", or choose not to invest any real study on their own time, but these things are how we actually display our love for the Father, (by searching His Word and His Kingdom). So if you truly wish to understand WHO the Son IS then what I have presented here already in this thread will lead you into the answers to all of these things with some study time, prayer, searching, and work on your own. It is not about proving who is right and who is wrong but rather about proving that you do indeed love the Father, (YHWH Elohim Almighty), and His Son, (Yah Elohim, Ι̅H).
    Hi daqq,

    Yet as I noted earlier with at least 3 verses,....'YAH' is a proper, correct and kosher rendering of the divine name.

    More passages with 'Yah' being referred in them -

    They say, "Yah will not see, nor will the God of Jacob understand."

    Fortunate is the man whom You, Yah, chastise, and from Your Torah You teach him.

    - Pslam 94

    I recall the deeds of Yah when I remember Your wonder from time immemorial.

    -Pslam 77

    God is revered in the great council of the holy ones and feared by all around Him.

    O Lord, God of Hosts, who is like You, O Yah, Who are mighty? And Your faithfulness surrounds You.

    - Psalm 89
    See: Yah, a name of 'God'

    ~*~*~

    Note that all that is really essential is to know YHWH (the tetragrammaton) and learn all you can about the divine name, linguistics, meanings and value of Ha Shem for that is all one can do, and STILL....no one really knows with 100% absolute certaintly HOW exactly in its precise intonation to pronounce YHWH, and maybe it was meant to be that way as to uphold the infinity Mystery of The Creator, since the INFINITE itself, let alone infinity cannot be fully known or comprehended by a finite mind. Hence as I posited in a former post, 'God' transcends name, word, concept, images, ideas....as Pure Incorporeal SPIRIT. In any case,...Moses, the prophets and psalmists thought it perfectly FINE to call 'God' by his shortened name of 'YAH' and this form is CLEAR enough to designate it referring to the Eternal/Infinite ONE.

    Aumen

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    Lightbulb The Alpha & Omega, and the Infinite beyond language.......

    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    What was the name Jesus used for his God and our God?

    Self-righteousness is a dead end. Forget it.
    If Jesus was schooled in the knowledge of the word (both esoteric and literal translations), he would be familiar with the tetragrammaton, and recognize that his Father and 'God' would not only embody that divine name in essence, meaning and form, but also transcend it. Hence, if you're fine with referring to the Creator as 'Abba',...by all means go with that. But dont limit your opportunity to learn all you can about 'God'...since 'God' is MORE than just a 'father'.

    I dont see 'self-righteousness' having much to do with this, although there are some 'holy name' groups or individuals who might become TOO dogmatic over right names, spellings and pronounciations about 'God'. At best, any 'word', 'name' or 'title' are approximations, descriptions, symbolic representations of 'God', and that is all they can be.

    Only 'God' is 'God'. Only 'Reality' is 'reality'. The 'word' itself is never the thing or being it is representing.

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