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    Hebrews- Problem verses for Interplanner

    There are MANY verses that challenge IP's views. But, let's start things with this one:


    Hebrews 2
    8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.


    What saith IP?
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    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
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    You're too literal to get it.
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    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    There are MANY verses that challenge IP's views. But, let's start things with this one:


    Hebrews 2
    8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.


    What saith IP?
    'Not yet'? Is that what it says?

    I'll have to look at that again!

    Yeah man, what it is!
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Well, just to be sure.

    Yep, is what it is.

    Not yet!
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    nun de oupō horōmen


    Greek- oupo- not yet
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    nun de oupō horōmen


    Greek- oupo- not yet
    I wonder what IP's commentaries say...
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    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
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    You're too literal to get it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    I wonder what IP's commentaries say...
    Can't wait to find out!
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    I wonder what IP's commentaries say...
    Partial enthronement?
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    The list: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...quot-list-quot Great Bible software: http://www.theword.net/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Partial enthronement?
    He will probably come up with some "now, but not yet" theory from a commentary.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    You're too literal to get it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    He will probably come up with some "now, but not yet" theory from a commentary.
    I know that some Acts 2 dispies try that trick to avoid the obvious.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    The list: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...quot-list-quot Great Bible software: http://www.theword.net/

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    There are MANY verses that challenge IP's views. But, let's start things with this one:


    Hebrews 2
    8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.


    What saith IP?
    Oh boy! Scripture games with IP!
    I'll take a stab at what IP might say.

    It says you don't yet SEE all things under Him.
    (All things are there, you just don't SEE all things.)

    God Bless America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    I know that some Acts 2 dispies try that trick to avoid the obvious.
    Yep, CH Dodd(realized eschatology) > George Eldon Ladd(classical millennialism) > some Messianic Jews and... Progressive dispensationalists, for sure.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    There are MANY verses that challenge IP's views. But, let's start things with this one:


    Hebrews 2
    8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.


    What saith IP?
    What his answer will be?

    None other than Matthew 24B.

    You just watch and see,
    This is...his predictability.

    On this, there is no debate.

    Nevertheless, Romans 5:8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    Can't wait to find out!
    O come on; you know what he'll spout.

    Same old, same old he is all about.

    Clearly his is an obvious self-hate.

    Thank God for Romans 5:8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    Yep, CH Dodd(realized eschatology) > George Eldon Ladd(classical millennialism) > some Messianic Jews and... Progressive dispensationalists, for sure.
    Watch it, bub, the men behind the KJV were Reformed Amillennial - they too might well have taken great issue with Dispensationalism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    O come on; you know what he'll spout.

    Same old, same old he is all about.

    Clearly his is an obvious self-hate.

    Thank God for Romans 5:8.

    Hi might try Eph 1:10 BUT it way above his skills !!

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