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    Kirk Cameron: Hack

    Kirk Cameron says God sends hurricanes to teach us to repent...

    http://pagesix.com/2017/09/09/kirk-c...-us-to-repent/

    Actual fact of the matter?

    Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    In short, Romans 5:8.

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    KC is another one of those "Lordship 'Salvation'" proponents, perverting the gospel of Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    KC is another one of those "Lordship 'Salvation'" proponents, perverting the gospel of Christ.
    Maybe he's just experiencing growing pains while maturing in the fracturalized mission of the kingdom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Maybe he's just experiencing growing pains while maturing in the fracturalized mission of the kingdom?
    Look, Bosworth, if I was looking for some psycho babble, I would have turned on "Dr. Phil." Yeh, that's right....You drove me to take up smoking again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Kirk Cameron says God sends hurricanes to teach us to repent...

    http://pagesix.com/2017/09/09/kirk-c...-us-to-repent/

    Actual fact of the matter?

    Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    In short, Romans 5:8.
    How does that contradict or deny what Mr. Cameron said?
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    God also sends out cancer, heart attacks, deaths in the family, car accidents, job loss and heart break to teach us to repent. Hurricanes are just one of many tools in the hand of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epoisses View Post
    God also sends out cancer, heart attacks, deaths in the family, car accidents, job loss and heart break to teach us to repent. Hurricanes are just one of many tools in the hand of God.
    Yeah, God spends His time teaching us a lesson
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Yeah, God spends His time teaching us a lesson
    If you pray to be saved from the hurricane and you are, then God answered your prayer.

    If you pray to be saved from the hurricane and you aren't, then God knows better than you do what you need.

    Either way, the human need to feel like someone is in control is taken care of, and the person finds comfort in the praying.

    But what if it's just fate - right place at the right time, wrong place at the wrong time?
    So keep your candles burning
    "Nevertheless, she persisted."
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    If you pray to be saved from the hurricane and you are, then God answered your prayer.

    If you pray to be saved from the hurricane and you aren't, then God knows better than you do what you need.

    Either way, the human need to feel like someone is in control is taken care of, and the person finds comfort in the praying.

    But what if it's just fate - right place at the right time, wrong place at the wrong time?
    We are born to die, but I don't like people blaming God for every death and disease, every storm and every bolt of lightning. Things, including death and weather, happen. I don't think it's God punishing us and teaching us a lesson every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epoisses View Post
    God also sends out cancer, heart attacks, deaths in the family, car accidents, job loss and heart break to teach us to repent. Hurricanes are just one of many tools in the hand of God.
    Oh, so nothing to do with death and corruption entering the world because of man's sin....let's blame God.

    Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolai_42 View Post
    How does that contradict or deny what Mr. Cameron said?
    Prior to that in Romans 3 there, the Apostle Paul has been laying out a history of various means by which God had been proving that man at his best ends up coming short of God's standard of acceptance.

    This, towards what the Apostle Paul has been leading up to - the only work that consistently measures up to the glory of God (to His standard).

    That being the FINISHED work of Christ ALONE.

    His FINISHED work on that Cross.

    And how that per that FINISHED work of Christ's ALONE, God is presently offering ALL mankind an offer of Grace and Peace.

    Until He withdraws that offer, and speaks to the entire world in His wrath.

    Romans 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

    Note verse...

    Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

    Further, on this issue...

    1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

    1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

    2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, 2:17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

    Cameron is confusing how the wrath of God worked before the FINISHED work of Christ ALONE, with how said wrath works this side of said FINISHED work of Christ ALONE.

    Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

    Until God is through with this offer of Grace and Peace in His Son's FINISHED work toward the world; His wrath towards said world, is on hold.

    Storms? Tornados? Hurricanes? Earthquakes? Car accidents? Child born with cancer?

    Etc., etc.

    On the good?

    On the bad?

    Not a concern beyond the physical that one must nevertheless deal with while one is here, come what may, on the "good" and or on the "bad" alike.

    Romans 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption*, to wit, the redemption of our body.

    What might Cameron's message have been - had he not been so ignorant of his Bible on this issue THIS SIDE of the FINISHED work of Christ ALONE?

    A message the lost would have no excuse in going against at all, but their own willful ignorance.

    The message that..

    1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

    Instead, the fool played host once more, to the animosity of the lost toward God, not only out of their own willful ignorance, but out of that added to it by such as Cameron in his own about his God, to the destruction of his own useful testimony before this ever dying world.

    For once more, the fact of the matter on this is...

    2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    Romans 5:8 is what is presently on the table, NOT God's wrath.

    _________

    * Note:

    That adoption there in Romans 8:23 is obvious there, and works like the Jewish concept of Bar Mitzvah.

    Wherein a day comes in which a father no longer sees his own child as a child, but as a son; with all the rights; privileges; and responsibilities commensurate with said acknowledgment.

    In this, what the Believer awaits is that aspect of that having to do with his physical body itself; towards his being one day one who in his physical body fully manifests that glorious liberty from the bondage of corruption all physical creation will then be free of, and that said sons of God will be a glorious representation of, before all the Universe.

    Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

    1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

    All this, in, and because of...Romans 5:8

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    If you pray to be saved from the hurricane and you are, then God answered your prayer.

    If you pray to be saved from the hurricane and you aren't, then God knows better than you do what you need.

    Either way, the human need to feel like someone is in control is taken care of, and the person finds comfort in the praying.

    But what if it's just fate - right place at the right time, wrong place at the wrong time?
    Welcome back, anna.

    And there is no such thing as fate in the Scripture.

    As with the notion of men that the Lord works in mysterious ways.

    Not according to Scripture this side of Christ's revelation through the pen of the Apostle Paul...

    Ephesians 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

    Ephesians 1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

    Nevertheless, anna, Romans 5:8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Kirk Cameron says God sends hurricanes to teach us to repent...

    http://pagesix.com/2017/09/09/kirk-c...-us-to-repent/

    Actual fact of the matter?

    Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    In short, Romans 5:8.
    In the realm of good and evil, the nothing new under the sun/time applies to this world's events. The peace/eye of the storm is where Christ within us overrides the mind that clings to its religious future gleaned from looking in the past when the eternal kingdom is now, where fear has no place like life has no beginning/birth except in the dream of time.
    Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeke View Post
    In the realm of good and evil, the nothing new under the sun/time applies to this world's events. The peace/eye of the storm is where Christ within us overrides the mind that clings to its religious future gleaned from looking in the past when the eternal kingdom is now, where fear has no place like life has no beginning/birth except in the dream of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    KC is another one of those "Lordship 'Salvation'" proponents, perverting the gospel of Christ.
    Yep.

    Nevertheless, Rom. 5:8.

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