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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
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    They're in good company
    Yep, stuck on Winning !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SabathMoon View Post
    Claiming humans are born deaf is a scam in itself. How do they sound their sign language words?

    Does anyone knowtice how the media is always laughing at Trump?
    No, but I notice how you spell knowtice
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    Trump haters sure know how to turn an award show into a complete joke.

    For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Trump haters sure know how to turn an award show into a complete joke.
    It looks like Trump WAS wiretapped before the election. Another example of Trump telling the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    It looks like Trump WAS wiretapped before the election. Another example of Trump telling the truth.
    And Comey and Clapper lying about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    It looks like Trump WAS wiretapped before the election. Another example of Trump telling the truth.
    Not necessarily. Manafort was tapped.


    There are three elements here: 1) Trump's “wires” were “tapped”, 2) It happened at Trump Tower, and 3) Obama did it.

    The first part is still unproven. If the CNN report is correct, there is still no indication that Trump himself was targeted by wiretapping; the report leaves open the possibility that a conversation with Trump may have been swept up in the Manafort tap, but we have no indication that it was.

    Even if it was, Trump wasn't the named target of the wiretap. This would be what's known as “incidental collection.” You may recall that phrase from the last time the White House claimed some measure of vindication for Trump's wiretapping claim, when House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) disclosed that members of Trump's transition team were wrapped up in other legal surveillance that wasn't targeted at them.

    The second part — the Trump Tower part — is also possibly true based on what CNN reported, though again we just don't know for sure. While Trump himself wasn't the reported target of the wiretap, Manafort did have an apartment at Trump Tower, so it's possible that location was, in fact, wiretapped.

    As for the third part, on Obama, Trump's tweet again seems to claim more than CNN is reporting. FISA warrants require sign-off from top Justice Department and FBI officials, but Trump was suggesting that Obama was personally involved.

    It's worth noting in all of this that Trump's own Justice Department has cast doubt on his claim. In a court filing earlier this month, it said flatly that, “Both FBI and [its national security division] confirm that they have no records related to wiretaps as described by the March 4, 2017 tweets.” Then-FBI Director James B. Comey also said back in March that there was no evidence to support the claims.

    “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

    ― Theodore Roosevelt

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