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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Himmler was raised as a Catholic. Catholics can go racist just as easily as anyone else. Bannon just threw away what God had to say about it.
    Are you sure you know what God says about US immigration law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    On reflection, I think you're right. What was I thinking, attributing an honorable motive to Steve Bannon?
    He is right about DACA and immigration.

    Are you saying God does not believe in national sovereignty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Himmler was raised as a Catholic.
    So was Hitler; so what.
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    Catholics can go racist just as easily as anyone else.
    He didn't "go racist" in saying what he said about the Church.
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    Bannon just threw away what God had to say about it.
    You're now on record as saying that God said that DACA is what He wants us to do?

    Come on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    So was Hitler; so what.
    He didn't "go racist" in saying what he said about the Church.
    You're now on record as saying that God said that DACA is what He wants us to do?

    Come on.
    What would Jesus deport?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    What would Jesus deport?
    You.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    You're now on record as saying that God said that DACA is what He wants us to do?

    Come on.
    Leviticus 19:34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

    Can't you just hear Bannon letting Jesus have it:

    "You're just another bleeding heart liberal."
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Leviticus 19:34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

    Can't you just hear Bannon letting Jesus have it:

    "You're just another bleeding heart liberal."
    Oh, so now Hebrew scriptures are written to Christians, for the Church's obedience?

    Do you really want to go there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClimateSanity View Post
    It harms America when we let the whole world come in without vetting or limits.
    It's the way we did things for most of our history. In fact, during our greatest expansion as a nation, there were no limits on immigration. But there's no question that deporting nearly a million productive citizens would be a huge hit on our economy.

    It harms America when we don't deliberately bring in people who will help the economy for all Americans.
    The DACA kids, for example.

    It particularly harms unskilled, non college educated citizens when we have a porous border because they take jobs that would have been given to the low skilled, non college educated.
    That was Alabama's argument when they "got tough" with immigrants. Want to hear how that worked out? Crops rotting in the fields, contractors unable to get competent labor, and a declining economy. You really want that for America?

    Any law that fails to follow these guidelines is a betrayal of our citizens and essentially makes citizenship worthless.
    Since just about everyone in the world would like American citizenship, I'd say you either have it wrong, or that's not the situation we have today.

    We have to make up our minds whether the USA is a land for its citizens or for the whole world.

    As I showed, deportation of the DACA kids would be more than an injustice to innocent people who grew up as Americans. It would be a hit on the prosperity of the country. Is that really what you want?
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    It's the way we did things for most of our history. In fact, during our greatest expansion as a nation, there were no limits on immigration. But there's no question that deporting nearly a million productive citizens would be a huge hit on our economy.



    The DACA kids, for example.



    That was Alabama's argument when they "got tough" with immigrants. Want to hear how that worked out? Crops rotting in the fields, contractors unable to get competent labor, and a declining economy. You really want that for America?



    Since just about everyone in the world would like American citizenship, I'd say you either have it wrong, or that's not the situation we have today.




    As I showed, deportation of the DACA kids would be more than an injustice to innocent people who grew up as Americans. It would be a hit on the prosperity of the country. Is that really what you want?
    At least you're now making it an economic argument instead of a dumb moral one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    At least you're now making it an economic argument instead of a dumb moral one.
    I realize that white supremacists are perfectly O.K. with punishing people who have done nothing wrong. The economic argument just points out these guys are dumb enough to harm themselves, just to get at people they hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    Oh, so now Hebrew scriptures are written to Christians, for the Church's obedience?
    It's just God's word. If you don't like it, feel free to ignore it.

    Do you really want to go there?
    I know a lot of people argue that God never expected things to be the way they are today. I'm not very receptive to that one.

    But you're welcome to believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    I realize that white supremacists are perfectly O.K. with punishing people who have done nothing wrong.
    Do people have the right to do with their own stuff, what they want, or not? Do Americans have the right to not allow aliens to enter our territory, if we don't want to? America's path to citizenship couldn't be simpler, and I'm sure most American citizens on this discussion board did it, through being born within the country, even if their parents/mother are not in the US legally. Even in that illegal case, the child becomes an American citizen, and so has the right to vote and to voice their opinion, and if they become POTUS (which they can legally do since they are natural-born Americans), then they too can decide that, No, I don't want to invite and welcome or receive aliens right now. Aliens, get out. No more new ones, and the old ones who are here, leave. Get out.

    Don't we have the right to do this? You "leftists" (Bannon's word, for Charlie Rose) act like we are immoral to think this way, but you never make a convincing argument for this, you just act like you're morally authoritative, it's a classic poker bluff, and you have zero evidence backing up that your position exists in some supernatural way, because it's what the Maker wants us to believe.

    You're a censored Catholic, you should know this. The only morals that God wants us to know, is published in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Whatever else is said, by anybody, even the popes, and definitely some lay leftist such as yourself or Charlie Daniels or HRC or whomever .. whatever else is said isn't even a candle's flicker to the sun. What is in the Catechism, is what is moral. Cardinal Dolan acknowledged that Bannon was right, and DACA isn't about doctrine.

    He then pulls a characteristically PROTESTANT poker move, by grabbing a notion from Sacred Scripture---a notion that didn't rise to the level of being contained within the Catechism, even though the Catechism is hundreds of pages long---I don't know how they could have fit it in, except oppositely---the cardinal then pulls a scripture or two and makes an ad hoc analysis/interpretation, pretending like, acting like, this notion has the full weight and authority of the morals expressed plainly within the Catechism. Show me where Jesus or His Apostles or His bishops, in Sacred Scripture, says that the fundamental notion of DACA, that taking our wide, wide gate, and basically running it over with a tractor, and then backing over it, and making sure that the gate will never even work again, even if we might really need it someday. You show me that.

    We have a wide gate in America. Right now, it's wide open. DACA is running over the gate in a tractor. And then backing over it, so that it will never function again. Why can't we just modulate the gate, instead of having to treat the thing with supreme contempt? President Trump's predecessor chose to get rough with the gate, and President Trump has made an executive decision that dealing with the gate is Congress's job, not the POTUS---Congress, get to work. You've got six months, and the clock already started.



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    The economic argument just points out these guys are dumb enough to harm themselves, just to get at people they hate.
    Do we have the right to shut the gate a little bit if we want to, yes or no? Is it a matter upon which intelligent people can disagree, yes or no? Why do leftists make these debates moral. These are economic policies, not moral policies. DACA recipients aren't Americans! They don't have American rights and privileges. They are at the mercy of Americans on this matter, because they are not Americans, America is not theirs, it is ours, and we have the right to deny them the rights that we Americans enjoy, because America does very much work to ensure that we have these rights; a lot goes into protecting them and recognizing them and even fighting for them, and people who couldn't even bother to meet the barest of requirements, to be born here, illegally, are just not Americans, and Americans have no moral imperative to consider this a moral matter when it's not.

    DACA recipients missed their chance, and were born elsewhere and then entered the country illegally. Yes, they can't help it, and still yes, we have every right to deny them any privilege wrt United States citizenship. This is ours. We can tell anybody who's not American to leave. That's our right. As America's owners.
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    CCC 2241:

    2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    It's just God's word. If you don't like it, feel free to ignore it.
    I wish I could ignore the Word of God. Are you understanding?
    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    I know a lot of people argue that God never expected things to be the way they are today. I'm not very receptive to that one.
    Well good, because it's not what I put forth.
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    But you're welcome to believe it.
    What does God's quote-unquote "word," have to say, about what the Hebrews should do, to an alien, who commits sodomy or bestiality or some other gravely immoral sexual act? The act that's the point of marriage, and the act whose divine point is procreation? When it's crassly and inflammatorily debased, like sodomy, or censored? "What does God want us to do to LGBs?" Barbarian? Show me the verse.

    You won't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    CCC 2241:

    2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.
    Break down how nullifying DACA violates this Text.
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