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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    Sure He did. No mere "more man than God", could have propitiated the wrath of God for the sin of those whom He specifically came to redeem.




    ....the sacrifice Our Lord made for those He came to redeem (John 6:37; John 6:39; John 10:29; John 17:11-12; John 17:9; John 17:22; John 18:9)

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    But the sacrifice covered more than just the lost sheep of Israel, which is who our Lord was speaking of in those verses...those to whom He was sent. Specifically the Apostles and those Jews who believed He was the Messiah/Good Shepard. IMHO

    Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    After He had risen, His sacrifice covered all who believe through the Gospel of Grace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    No, the verse you're referring to says the Lord is that Spirit. Since you insist on taking it out of context, you are quick to assume you know what it's saying. You don't.

    2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

    Believe what is written. That scripture plainly says the Lord is the Spirit. There are other scriptures that say it too.

    Jesus is the Spirit, glory.

    1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.

    Did you read that? It says Jesus is a life-giving Spirit.

    John 6:63
    The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life.

    How about that scripture?
    Jesus says the Spirit gives life. He is that life-giving Spirit. He is the Spirit and spoke words that are full of the Spirit.

    Isn't it wonderful? There is more.

    God says that people will call Jesus God, Father, and the Holy Spirit, and that is what I call him.

    Isaiah 9:6 HCSB For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us, and the government will be on His shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

    The scriptures say Jesus makes intercession for us.

    Hebrews 7:25 Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

    The scriptures say the Spirit intercedes for us.

    Romans 8:26
    In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.

    Romans 8:27
    And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

    Does that prove to you that Jesus is the Spirit?

    Ephesians 2:18
    For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

    That scripture shows us that Jesus is that one Spirit in whom we have access to the Father.

    2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

    2 Corinthians 3:18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

    Jesus is the Spirit. Revelation 2:7, 8, 11, 17, 29; 3:6, 13, 22; 14:13; 22:17 all tell us Jesus is the Spirit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    The scripture actually says God is a Spirit.
    John 4:24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
    That God that Spirit is the Father.

    John 4:23 But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.Ē
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Yes, they do say there is ONE GOD, and they say the Word was God and the Word became flesh.
    There is one God not three different Gods making one.

    God has come in three different ways. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post


    I believe that is referring to the Jews when He comes back to rule on earth. (future)
    Jeremiah 31:9
    9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
    This scripture is about all things being CREATED by Jesus:

    John 1:3 Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.

    Colossians 1:16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.


    Now read what is said about the Creator:

    Malachi 2:10
    Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful


    Jesus is that one God and Father.

    Try to explain that?


    Scriptures that say Jesus is God the Father:

    See Deuteronomy 32:18. You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.

    1 Corinthians 10:4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.


    The ROCK that FATHERED them was Christ.

    Jesus says those who overcome he will be their GOD and they will be his CHILDREN.

    See Revelation 21:7. Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.


    If we are Jesus' children, then he is our Father.


    John 14:18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

    Did you read that scripture? Who but a Father will not leave children as orphans?


    Jesus says when you SEE him, you have SEEN the Father.

    See John 14:7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

    John 14:9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? John 12:45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me.


    That means when we see Jesus, we can say, "I see the Father."

    God says Jesus will be called God, Father, and Holy Spirit. So that is what I call Jesus.

    Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Believe what is written. That scripture plainly says the Lord is the Spirit. There are other scriptures that say it too.

    Jesus is the Spirit, glory.

    1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.

    Did you read that? It says Jesus is a life-giving Spirit.
    A Spirit - God is a Spirit

    John 6:63
    The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life.

    How about that scripture?
    Jesus says the Spirit gives life. He is that life-giving Spirit. He is the Spirit and spoke words that are full of the Spirit.

    Isn't it wonderful? There is more.

    God says that people will call Jesus God, Father, and the Holy Spirit, and that is what I call him.

    Isaiah 9:6 HCSB For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us, and the government will be on His shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.



    The scriptures say Jesus makes intercession for us.

    Hebrews 7:25 Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

    The scriptures say the Spirit intercedes for us.

    Romans 8:26
    In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.

    Romans 8:27
    And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for Godís people in accordance with the will of God.

    Does that prove to you that Jesus is the Spirit?

    Ephesians 2:18
    For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

    That scripture shows us that Jesus is that one Spirit in whom we have access to the Father.

    2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

    2 Corinthians 3:18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

    Jesus is the Spirit. Revelation 2:7, 8, 11, 17, 29; 3:6, 13, 22; 14:13; 22:17 all tell us Jesus is the Spirit.
    I can see there is no hope of your understanding the difference between God being A SPIRIT, and the person of the Holy Spirit.


    But, I must say this. There is ONE God. God is a Spirit, so you will see verses that speak of that. However, God is triune. The person of the Holy Spirit is not the Son or the Father....but distinct. The Holy Spirit came upon Mary and she conceived. He is the earnest of our inheritance. The Holy Spirit baptizes believers into the body of Christ. The Holy Spirit gives gifts and produces fruit in the believer. You must see there are distinctions...noticeable ones. It is the Holy Spirit that empowers man to acknowledge Jesus is LORD.

    The Holy Spirit....HE is God. Don't dismiss the 3rd person of our Triune God for He is equal with the Father and Son. Distinct but equal.

    1 Cor. 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
    4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    A Spirit - God is a Spirit
    God is a Spirit, the one and only Divine Spirit.

    The Bible says plainly that there is one Spirit.

    I already gave those scriptures.

    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    I can see there is no hope of your understanding the difference between God being A SPIRIT, and the person of the Holy Spirit.
    There aren't two Spirits. Saying there is two and three Spirits is against the Bible which says there is one.

    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    But, I must say this. There is ONE God. God is a Spirit, so you will see verses that speak of that. However, God is triune. The person of the Holy Spirit is not the Son or the Father....but distinct. The Holy Spirit came upon Mary and she conceived. He is the earnest of our inheritance. The Holy Spirit baptizes believers into the body of Christ. The Holy Spirit gives gifts and produces fruit in the believer. You must see there are distinctions...noticeable ones. It is the Holy Spirit that empowers man to acknowledge Jesus is LORD.

    The Holy Spirit....HE is God. Don't dismiss the 3rd person of our Triune God for He is equal with the Father and Son. Distinct but equal.

    1 Cor. 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
    4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
    The three are one and the same Spirit. I proved it with scripture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    There is one God not three different Gods making one.

    God has come in three different ways. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
    I didn't say there were three Gods, nor did I say there were "different" Gods.

    No one has said that.



    Your saying God has come in "three different ways" means what?

    He has revealed Himself in "three different ways"?

    As Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    I didn't say there were three Gods, nor did I say there were "different" Gods.
    You speak of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three different.

    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    No one has said that.
    You do say it. If you did not, then why did you say the Father was a Spirit as opposed to the Spirit?

    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post

    Your saying God has come in "three different ways" means what?

    He has revealed Himself in "three different ways"?

    As Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, perhaps?
    That is right. God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    God is a Spirit, the one and only Divine Spirit.

    The Bible says plainly that there is one Spirit.

    I already gave those scriptures.


    There aren't two Spirits. Saying there is two and three Spirits is against the Bible which says there is one.



    The three are one and the same Spirit. I proved it with scripture.


    God is A Spirit. The angels are spirits. There are evil spirits. We wage a spiritual warfare against them. God is the Father of Spirits. AND there are seven Spirits of God here. What of those. That's more than one.

    Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

    Perhaps you took that verse about ONE SPIRIT out of context too.

    LOOK HERE. Paul is speaking of the body of Christ.

    We see the HOLY SPIRIT (one Spirit), Jesus Christ (One Lord), and One Father God. Jesus isn't the Spirit in that verse, He is the LORD.

    Eph. 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

    5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

    6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You speak of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three different.



    You do say it. If you did not, then why did you say the Father was a Spirit as opposed to the Spirit?



    That is right. God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
    I didn't say the Father was a Spirit. I quoted a verse that said GOD IS A SPIRIT. He is invisible....an invisible Spirit....like the angels and the demons.

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    God is A Spirit. The angels are spirits. There are evil spirits. We wage a spiritual warfare against them. God is the Father of Spirits. AND there are seven Spirits of God here. What of those. That's more than one.
    I said there is only one 'divine' Spirit.

    How would you go to speaking of angels and demons?

    We are talking about God.

    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post

    Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

    Perhaps you took that verse about ONE SPIRIT out of context too.
    I have no idea why you are going off into now saying God is ten.

    I am talking about the three: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post

    LOOK HERE. Paul is speaking of the body of Christ.

    We see the HOLY SPIRIT (one Spirit), Jesus Christ (One Lord), and One Father God. Jesus isn't the Spirit in that verse, He is the LORD.

    Eph. 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

    5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

    6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
    There is one Spirit.

    The Father is Spirit. Jesus is Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is Spirit.

    Since there are three, the three must be one and the same Spirit.

    Now how do you get that the Father is not Spirit and that the Holy Spirit is separate from Him?

    How do you get that Jesus is not Spirit and the Holy Spirit is separate from him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    I didn't say the Father was a Spirit. I quoted a verse that said GOD IS A SPIRIT. He is invisible....an invisible Spirit....like the angels and the demons.
    ...so that is not God the Father? Then what do you think the Father is??? You said you didn't say the Father was a Spirit! But then you say you said God is Spirit.

    The Father IS God and He IS the Spirit.

    The Father is Spirit, He is invisible---just as spirits are. Jesus' Spirit within Jesus is the Spirit of God the Father. There is only one Spirit.

    If you want to lead someone to what you say is the truth, then tell me plainly what the Father is.

    I can tell you plainly what He is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post

    LOOK HERE. Paul is speaking of the body of Christ.

    We see the HOLY SPIRIT (one Spirit), Jesus Christ (One Lord), and One Father God. Jesus isn't the Spirit in that verse, He is the LORD.
    That one Spirit, the Holy Spirit, is the Lord.

    I gave MANY scriptures explaining that the Lord is the Spirit---that Jesus the Lord is the Spirit.

    Those scriptures plainly say that Jesus is a LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT.

    Those scriptures plainly say that the Lord is the Spirit
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Lower than the angels at his human birth, but he was later born of the Spirit.

    "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit." (John 3:6)
    Jesus had no need to be born of the Spirit as we do by a second birth because He had been already conceived by it.. Now do you understand?
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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