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    Is your election unto eternal life sure?

    Scriptures inform that making the calling and election sure is a duty and by such is a comfort, as all duties are.

    Is your election unto eternal life sure?
    If so how do you know?

    The scripture "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of Elohim" is not an acceptable answer in this poll, because false spirits bear a counterfeit testimony. 41,000 protestant cults and denominations prove this to be so. As does the apostasy we now see manifested in every nation.

    "Sure" is expanded in this sense to give the understanding of secure as an anchor in every storm. Like the one and only foundation that holds securely in the evil day.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Ephesians 1:12, 13, 14
    1 Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV -


    Colossians 1:13-14 KJV - Colossians 1:15-16 KJV - Colossians 1:17-18 KJV -

    Colossians 1:19-20 KJV - Colossians 1:21-22 KJV - Colossians 1:23 KJV -

    Colossians 1:25-26 KJV 27, 28, 29 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Ephesians 1:12-13, 14 -



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    John 3:16
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Ephesians 1:12, 13, 14
    That doesn't answer the question.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    John 3:16
    That only applies to the heirs and doesn't answer the question.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    That only applies to the heirs and doesn't answer the question.
    My place is secure because God says it is secure. John 10:27-29
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

    Jim Elliot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Scriptures inform that making the calling and election sure is a duty and by such is a comfort, as all duties are.

    Is your election unto eternal life sure?
    If so how do you know?

    The scripture "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of Elohim" is not an acceptable answer in this poll, because false spirits bear a counterfeit testimony. 41,000 protestant cults and denominations prove this to be so. As does the apostasy we now see manifested in every nation.

    "Sure" is expanded in this sense to give the understanding of secure as an anchor in every storm. Like the one and only foundation that holds securely in the evil day.
    The Spirit bears witness with my spirit is how I know.

    If you don't like that scripture, that is too bad.

    If you want to support your opinion with statistics rather than the word of God, then that is just too bad.
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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    Phil 1:6

    A surety and comfort for the elect heir of Salvation.
    Psalm 42:1-2 (KJV)

    1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

    2 My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    The Spirit bears witness with my spirit is how I know.

    If you don't like that scripture, that is too bad.

    If you want to support your opinion with statistics rather than the word of God, then that is just too bad.
    If I wanted scriptures I would have asked for them. This is a matter of the experiential certainty. Nothing you say gives the impression that you have that certainty.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    My place is secure because God says it is secure. John 10:27-29
    I heard this self same thing for years and always from people that have no testimony of conversion.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    If I wanted scriptures I would have asked for them. This is a matter of the experiential certainty. Nothing you say gives the impression that you have that certainty.
    Are you suggesting that scripture is not true?

    If scripture, the word, the logos of God is not valid, why would the word of a man be valid?

    Do you exalt the word of man above the word, the logos of God?

    Say it isn't so.

    The word of God is truth

    Man has no truth of his own, the only truth man will ever have is the word of truth that he learns from the logos of God.

    If you seek opinions and man's experience as truth, you will continue to be bitter and joyless the rest of your life. You will have built your house on sand.

    What are you looking for?
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Are you suggesting that scripture is not true?

    If scripture, the word, the logos of God is not valid, why would the word of a man be valid?

    Do you exalt the word of man above the word, the logos of God?

    Say it isn't so.

    The word of God is truth

    Man has no truth of his own, the only truth man will ever have is the word of truth that he learns from the logos of God.

    If you seek opinions and man's experience as truth, you will continue to be bitter and joyless the rest of your life. You will have built your house on sand.

    What are you looking for?
    I'm not saying any of those things. What I'm doing is proving that you have no experience of salvation. You squirm like a snake and even try and accuse me of anything to avoid admitting you can't give an account because you don't have one.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    If anyone has to examine themselves, then they probably are not yet saved.

    A saved person knows who lives inside of them, and they live through that Spirit.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    I'm not saying any of those things. What I'm doing is proving that you have no experience of salvation. You squirm like a snake and even try and accuse me of anything to avoid admitting you can't give an account because you don't have one.
    There are innocent people wrongly accused, but you are not one of them.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    1 Thessalonians 5:22 NIV
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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