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    The Resurrection Question that terminates D'ism

    What is it about the resurrection that is so complete for Israel that Paul could be allowed to say what he did in Acts 13:32+?
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    Singular promise.
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    Israel wanted an enthroned Messiah, and they got it!
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    2Sa 3:10 To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba.


    This is not some spiritual throne in heaven.
    It is not GOD's throne in heaven.
    This is an earthy throne on earth.

    The earthly throne of David was occupied by both righteous and wicked men.
    GOD's throne in heaven was never occupied by wicked men.
    You will run into several problems like this when trying to combine them as the same throne.

    GOD's heavenly throne is not the earthly throne of David.

    For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

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    Luke 1:32-33 KJV
    (32) He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
    (33) And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

    The throne of His father, David, is not the throne of His Father (God the Father).

    For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

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    Micah 5:2 KJV
    (2) But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

    For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Israel wanted an enthroned Messiah, and they got it!
    Hi and since this promise was fulfilled in verse 33 HOW that terminate dispensationalism ??

    Especially in the view of 2 Cor 3:13-16 and Luke 13:6-9 !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Luke 1:32-33 KJV
    (32) He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
    (33) And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

    The throne of His father, David, is not the throne of His Father (God the Father).




    Sounds right until Peter declares what is going on in Acts 2:30. Lk 24:26 set the stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi and since this promise was fulfilled in verse 33 HOW that terminate dispensationalism ??

    Especially in the view of 2 Cor 3:13-16 and Luke 13:6-9 !

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    The fulfilled promise of the resurrection and enthroned Messiah and his mission on earth is all the remained to be delivered to Israel; it was then Israel's task to be missionaries of that. About 210 were ready by the time of Pentecost, and then it was open to anyone at all who believed/feared God.

    D'ism is trying to say that there needs to be another episode of a Davidic theocracy with the worship system operating in Judea, even if with Christ as King/Priest. There is not. It was referring to the living temple of the Christian community and each person as an ongoing living sacrifice, Rom 12:1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Sounds right until Peter declares what is going on in Acts 2:30. Lk 24:26 set the stage.
    He WOULD raise Him up to sit on His throne. Would
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    What is it about the resurrection that is so complete for Israel that Paul could be allowed to say what he did in Acts 13:32+?
    Here we go again...the term promise is a mistranslation. It should be pre-evangelism. It was first delivered to Adam and then to the fathers and prophets until He who was and is the evangelism came and delivered the power to establish it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Sounds right until Peter declares what is going on in Acts 2:30. Lk 24:26 set the stage.
    Acts 2:30 KJV
    (30) Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him [David], that of the fruit of his [David] loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his [David] throne;

    David's throne was earthly.

    Christ never needed to become man to sit on His heavenly Father's throne.
    But He did need to become man to sit on His earthly father's throne.

    They are not the same thrones.

    For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    2Sa 3:10 To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba.


    This is not some spiritual throne in heaven.
    It is not GOD's throne in heaven.
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    The earthly throne of David was occupied by both righteous and wicked men.
    GOD's throne in heaven was never occupied by wicked men.
    You will run into several problems like this when trying to combine them as the same throne.

    GOD's heavenly throne is not the earthly throne of David.




    You need to update the features acc. to the prophets. It wasn't going to be the same old thing; that served its purpose in David's generation, Acts 13. The worship system and land was given to them, with the huge HOWEVER of Acts 7 that God does not dwell in such things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    You need to update the features acc. to the prophets. It wasn't going to be the same old thing; that served its purpose in David's generation, Acts 13. The worship system and land was given to them, with the huge HOWEVER of Acts 7 that God does not dwell in such things.
    You sayin' God don't dwell in test tube babies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    The fulfilled promise of the resurrection and enthroned Messiah and his mission on earth is all the remained to be delivered to Israel; it was then Israel's task to be missionaries of that. About 210 were ready by the time of Pentecost, and then it was open to anyone at all who believed/feared God.

    D'ism is trying to say that there needs to be another episode of a Davidic theocracy with the worship system operating in Judea, even if with Christ as King/Priest. There is not. It was referring to the living temple of the Christian community and each person as an ongoing living sacrifice, Rom 12:1.

    Hi and Israel was set aside and that is why His disciples were questioning as to when the Kingdom would be RESTORED , in Acts 1:6 !!

    All of Acts 2:18-19 " I WILL " is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE and these events will happen during the Beginning of the Tribulation Rom 11:26 !!

    dan p

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